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#56233
I fu*king hope thats not the reason why he retired! Why retire over a driver who today showed that holding a position really ain't his strong point.
#56234
I highly doubt that's the reason as MS had nothing else to prove. The implication that he retired to save Massa's seat could very well just be that?
#56278
Another theory is that Ferrari has already signed Raikkonen and it was hard of them to get rid of Massa, so Schumacher was shown the door.

Michael is Basicly saying the above, just that it was his decision, and not Ferrari's
#56296
Another theory is that Ferrari has already signed Raikkonen and it was hard of them to get rid of Massa, so Schumacher was shown the door.


I don't think there's any possibility that could have happened. I'm quite sure that, if Schumacher had wanted, Ferrari would let him race until he was too old to walk. ;)
#56306
It is indeed speculation, but I think the body language of Schumacher, Todt, di Montezemolo is very interesting. I was always surprised why Ferrari rated Raikkonen so highly. Yes, the man has the ability required to be a good leader, but his personality and attitude is not up to scratch. I was pretty glad to see the lazy fool leave McLaren.
#56322
I can't connect with Kimi like I did with Schumi, I really really try, but he is a boring chicken. Massa does seem to be a bit more emotional and exciting, but even he doesn't live up to the great man :)

Massa and Raikkonen don't compare one bit to Schumacher. Massa is a nice guy and tries really hard, but that's not good enough. Raikkonen has the ability, but his attitude is wrong, his work ethic is shocking and he is not a leader. Whilst Schumacher would be knocking his pan in, keeping fit and doing a lot of testing and development work, Raikkonen would be drinking away his talent and complaining that the car wasn't good enough but failing to put any solutions on the table. Raikkonen can drive what he's got very fast, but he is not willing to make it go much faster. Schumacher can drive what he's got pretty fast (possibly being a tenth slower than an on-form Raikkonen) but can also make his equipment go faster. Schumacher brings more to the party than just raw speed. Ferrari, despite the Ross Brawns and Rory Byrnes of this world leaving, still have a great technical team who are busting their arses out to win. They are not, however, getting the same commitment - and, thus, information - back from Raikkonen. Formula One is a team game and it requires all components of your team to be functioning well. Schumacher did a lot with which I don't agree and his fans say a lot about him that I don't also agree about, but I respected him, for he was always up front about his faults and you knew he was giving 120% all of the time.
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#56323
I can't connect with Kimi like I did with Schumi, I really really try, but he is a boring chicken. Massa does seem to be a bit more emotional and exciting, but even he doesn't live up to the great man :)


Nobody does or ever will :wink:
#56351
I can't connect with Kimi like I did with Schumi, I really really try, but he is a boring chicken. Massa does seem to be a bit more emotional and exciting, but even he doesn't live up to the great man :)

Massa and Raikkonen don't compare one bit to Schumacher. Massa is a nice guy and tries really hard, but that's not good enough. Raikkonen has the ability, but his attitude is wrong, his work ethic is shocking and he is not a leader. Whilst Schumacher would be knocking his pan in, keeping fit and doing a lot of testing and development work, Raikkonen would be drinking away his talent and complaining that the car wasn't good enough but failing to put any solutions on the table. Raikkonen can drive what he's got very fast, but he is not willing to make it go much faster. Schumacher can drive what he's got pretty fast (possibly being a tenth slower than an on-form Raikkonen) but can also make his equipment go faster. Schumacher brings more to the party than just raw speed. Ferrari, despite the Ross Brawns and Rory Byrnes of this world leaving, still have a great technical team who are busting their arses out to win. They are not, however, getting the same commitment - and, thus, information - back from Raikkonen. Formula One is a team game and it requires all components of your team to be functioning well. Schumacher did a lot I don't agree with and his fans say a lot about him that I don't agree, but I respected him, for he was always up front about his faults and you knew he was giving 120% all of the time.

+1000 :thumbup:

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