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#56135
:bouncy1::jump::mexwavebounce::bouncy2:

This goes out to all the sceptics. Now tell me that boy's not special!
Master in the wet. Now master in the dry. Did someone say he couldnt overtake??

Sorry about that but :cloud9::cloud9::cloud9:
I was swearing at that safety car when his lead was lost, even more so when Lewis didnt pit. But it just gave him an even better opportunuty to do this :wavey-finger: to all the sceptics.
I LOVE TODAY!!!!
#56150
That was probably one of his best drives yet, especially when his strategy didn't quite work out. You can tell Kovvy let him through, I hope that wasn't team orders, but instead Kovvy using his common sense.

Well I wonder how Fernando feels now? That car looked like a rabid dog at time, and the amount of twitching and correcting he had to do. He'll probably be on that phone now to Mr Montezemolo.
#56159
That was probably one of his best drives yet, especially when his strategy didn't quite work out. You can tell Kovvy let him through, I hope that wasn't team orders, but instead Kovvy using his common sense.

Well I wonder how Fernando feels now? That car looked like a rabid dog at time, and the amount of twitching and correcting he had to do. He'll probably be on that phone now to Mr Montezemolo.


Car is poor, let's not beat around the bush. But 09 it may be different.
I think Alonso will go to the Red cars tho.
#56162
That was probably one of his best drives yet, especially when his strategy didn't quite work out. You can tell Kovvy let him through, I hope that wasn't team orders, but instead Kovvy using his common sense.

Well I wonder how Fernando feels now? That car looked like a rabid dog at time, and the amount of twitching and correcting he had to do. He'll probably be on that phone now to Mr Montezemolo.


He was nearly 2 seconds a lap faster than Kovi as was proved when Kovi didnt follow him through past Massa and Piquet. I think It was common sense on Kovi's part, Lewis thanked him in the press conference
#56176
:bouncy1: :jump::mexwavebounce::bouncy2:

This goes out to all the sceptics. Now tell me that boy's not special!
Master in the wet. Now master in the dry. Did someone say he couldnt overtake??

Sorry about that but :cloud9::cloud9::cloud9:
I was swearing at that safety car when his lead was lost, even more so when Lewis didnt pit. But it just gave him an even better opportunuty to do this :wavey-finger: to all the sceptics.
I LOVE TODAY!!!!


I don't think it's quite fair to call him a master of the dry just yet. Yes, he's had some brilliant dry-weather races in his Formula 1 career but, as of yet, he has only ever won a dry race from first on the grid. I want to see him come from the second half of the grid and take a podium and race victory from there, because so far that has been his downfall. Look at Grands Prix like Malaysia and France this year and the European Grand Prix last year, where he had to start from lower down on the grid, and Bahrain this year and Brazil last year when he fell back a significant amount of places and couldn't quite pull off the spectacular drive.

He is brilliantly talented, but there's still one more test for him to pass to get him that title, I'm afraid. Otherwise, you could claim that Massa was the master of the dry, too :P

That was probably one of his best drives yet, especially when his strategy didn't quite work out. You can tell Kovvy let him through, I hope that wasn't team orders, but instead Kovvy using his common sense.

Well I wonder how Fernando feels now? That car looked like a rabid dog at time, and the amount of twitching and correcting he had to do. He'll probably be on that phone now to Mr Montezemolo.


He was nearly 2 seconds a lap faster than Kovi as was proved when Kovi didnt follow him through past Massa and Piquet. I think It was common sense on Kovi's part, Lewis thanked him in the press conference


I would certainly hope it was Kovalainen letting him past in terms of the potential issues team orders would cause, but I also think that Kovalainen should have fought for that position. It's only half-way through the season and he needs to score as many points as he can to get closer to the top drivers.


Brilliant driver for Piquet, performing excellently to come from 17th to 2nd. I was wishing that Hamilton would get stuck behind Massa for another four or five laps so that Nelson could win, but I guess I can't have everything my way. Once again, good drive from Heidfeld to make up for his issues with the car over a single lap. Had he been able to use soft tyres for that last stint, I think that it would have been well-within the realms of possibility to take Massa and put himself on the podium. Either way, he's gradually putting himself in to the same position as Kubica as an outside title-threat. Valencia, Singapore, Fuji and Shanghai are all tracks where BMW Sauber will have to make the most of the track types (Valencia and Singapore) and track conditions (Fuji and Shanghai) to keep their drivers in the hunt in case they get the opportunity for one of them to take the title at Brazil.
#56179
:bouncy1: :jump::mexwavebounce::bouncy2:

This goes out to all the sceptics. Now tell me that boy's not special!
Master in the wet. Now master in the dry. Did someone say he couldnt overtake??

Sorry about that but :cloud9::cloud9::cloud9:
I was swearing at that safety car when his lead was lost, even more so when Lewis didnt pit. But it just gave him an even better opportunuty to do this :wavey-finger: to all the sceptics.
I LOVE TODAY!!!!


This day was meant to be. Sometime you won't like it when I post something similar but not for Lewis ;)
#56187
:bouncy1: :jump::mexwavebounce::bouncy2:

This goes out to all the sceptics. Now tell me that boy's not special!
Master in the wet. Now master in the dry. Did someone say he couldnt overtake??

Sorry about that but :cloud9::cloud9::cloud9:
I was swearing at that safety car when his lead was lost, even more so when Lewis didnt pit. But it just gave him an even better opportunuty to do this :wavey-finger: to all the sceptics.
I LOVE TODAY!!!!


Don't count them yet racechick

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If Ferrari get their sh!t together Kimi will be back :wink:

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#56194
Denthul what more do you want? he passed cars for the win today it wasnt flag to flag victory :rolleyes::bs:


toady and at silverstone he was miles better than heikki, massa, and kimi, and most of the others definitly, there are a few that may be as good today, but not many, cause you can never tell in the slower teams
#56197
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I don't think it's quite fair to call him a master of the dry just yet. Yes, he's had some brilliant dry-weather races in his Formula 1 career but, as of yet, he has only ever won a dry race from first on the grid. I want to see him come from the second half of the grid and take a podium and race victory from there, because so far that has been his downfall.


I would certainly hope it was Kovalainen letting him past in terms of the potential issues team orders would cause, but I also think that Kovalainen should have fought for that position. It's only half-way through the season and he needs to score as many points as he can to get closer to the top drivers.



Yes he started from pole but after the safety car he was 4th, and only that far up because of his pushing like hell. He pulled out 15seconds in about 6 laps and then overtook the remaining cars. you dont call that fighting back???

Kovi cant win the championship this year. Had it been earlier in the season he would have done differently. He fought Lewis at Silverstone on the first corner quite aggresively, he only let him past because he knew lewis wass considerably faster at that part of the race.
#56201
:bouncy1: :jump::mexwavebounce::bouncy2:

This goes out to all the sceptics. Now tell me that boy's not special!
Master in the wet. Now master in the dry. Did someone say he couldnt overtake??

Sorry about that but :cloud9::cloud9::cloud9:
I was swearing at that safety car when his lead was lost, even more so when Lewis didnt pit. But it just gave him an even better opportunuty to do this :wavey-finger: to all the sceptics.
I LOVE TODAY!!!!


Don't count them yet racechick

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If Ferrari get their sh!t together Kimi will be back :wink:

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Oh I know the championship isnt in the bag. But seeing Lewis show what he can do is good enough for me :)
#56205
Denthul what more do you want? he passed cars for the win today it wasnt flag to flag victory :rolleyes::bs:


Where exactly did I say that today's drive was simple and that he didn't have to work for it?

What I did say, and it's important that you read here, is that he hasn't quite done enough to be classed as master of the dry. Look at it like this:

Hamilton has won every dry victory from pole.
Massa has won every dry victory, barring one, from pole, but that one doesn't really count because he inherited the lead.

Hamilton has dominated his dry victories from pole.
Massa has dominated his dry victories from pole.

In every dry race where Massa has started at around tenth place or worse, he's driven quite badly and not been able to salvage much from the race.
In every dry race where Hamilton has started at around tenth place or worse, he's driven quite badly and not been able to salvage much from the race.

Now, to me, those are both almost identical circumstances and so I think it's quite fair to say that neither one of them has yet done enough in their Formula 1 career to grant them the title 'master of the dry'. The only difference is that Massa has had far more opportunity to prove it and has not done so (and probably will not, whereas I fully believe that Hamilton will, but not yet). I just think it is premature to be saying Lewis is the master of the dry when, in reality, he's really only dominated from the front. Like I said, I have no issue with saying he's very talented and will win world championships (although, somehow, you manage to pull that out of nowhere :confused: ) but at the moment, very talented has not quite reached the level at which most people are portraying him.
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I don't think it's quite fair to call him a master of the dry just yet. Yes, he's had some brilliant dry-weather races in his Formula 1 career but, as of yet, he has only ever won a dry race from first on the grid. I want to see him come from the second half of the grid and take a podium and race victory from there, because so far that has been his downfall.


I would certainly hope it was Kovalainen letting him past in terms of the potential issues team orders would cause, but I also think that Kovalainen should have fought for that position. It's only half-way through the season and he needs to score as many points as he can to get closer to the top drivers.



Yes he started from pole but after the safety car he was 4th, and only that far up because of his pushing like hell. He pulled out 15seconds in about 6 laps and then overtook the remaining cars. you dont call that fighting back???

Kovi cant win the championship this year. Had it been earlier in the season he would have done differently. He fought Lewis at Silverstone on the first corner quite aggresively, he only let him past because he knew lewis wass considerably faster at that part of the race.


Yes, I know that, but he should have at least gone to show that he is capable of fighting off Lewis, which he most certainly is. He demonstrated his excellent driving and racecraft in the second half of last season, highlighting it at Fuji where he fought off Raikkonen, when the Ferrari was much better than the Renault, Raikkonen much more experienced than Kovalainen. Ultimately, Lewis would have made it past (probably on the next lap) and would still have taken Massa and Piquet easily enough. Kovalainen isn't showing his full potential at the moment, which is a shame, because it is quite clear that he has the raw pace to do it and the racecraft to back it up. :/
#56211
Denthul what more do you want? he passed cars for the win today it wasnt flag to flag victory :rolleyes::bs:


Where exactly did I say that today's drive was simple and that he didn't have to work for it?

What I did say, and it's important that you read here, is that he hasn't quite done enough to be classed as master of the dry. Look at it like this:

Hamilton has won every dry victory from pole.
Massa has won every dry victory, barring one, from pole, but that one doesn't really count because he inherited the lead.

Hamilton has dominated his dry victories from pole.
Massa has dominated his dry victories from pole.

In every dry race where Massa has started at around tenth place or worse, he's driven quite badly and not been able to salvage much from the race.
In every dry race where Hamilton has started at around tenth place or worse, he's driven quite badly and not been able to salvage much from the race.

Now, to me, those are both almost identical circumstances and so I think it's quite fair to say that neither one of them has yet done enough in their Formula 1 career to grant them the title 'master of the dry'. The only difference is that Massa has had far more opportunity to prove it and has not done so (and probably will not, whereas I fully believe that Hamilton will, but not yet). I just think it is premature to be saying Lewis is the master of the dry when, in reality, he's really only dominated from the front. Like I said, I have no issue with saying he's very talented and will win world championships (although, somehow, you manage to pull that out of nowhere :confused: ) but at the moment, very talented has not quite reached the level at which most people are portraying him.
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I don't think it's quite fair to call him a master of the dry just yet. Yes, he's had some brilliant dry-weather races in his Formula 1 career but, as of yet, he has only ever won a dry race from first on the grid. I want to see him come from the second half of the grid and take a podium and race victory from there, because so far that has been his downfall.


I would certainly hope it was Kovalainen letting him past in terms of the potential issues team orders would cause, but I also think that Kovalainen should have fought for that position. It's only half-way through the season and he needs to score as many points as he can to get closer to the top drivers.



Yes he started from pole but after the safety car he was 4th, and only that far up because of his pushing like hell. He pulled out 15seconds in about 6 laps and then overtook the remaining cars. you dont call that fighting back???

Kovi cant win the championship this year. Had it been earlier in the season he would have done differently. He fought Lewis at Silverstone on the first corner quite aggresively, he only let him past because he knew lewis wass considerably faster at that part of the race.


Yes, I know that, but he should have at least gone to show that he is capable of fighting off Lewis, which he most certainly is. He demonstrated his excellent driving and racecraft in the second half of last season, highlighting it at Fuji where he fought off Raikkonen, when the Ferrari was much better than the Renault, Raikkonen much more experienced than Kovalainen. Ultimately, Lewis would have made it past (probably on the next lap) and would still have taken Massa and Piquet easily enough. Kovalainen isn't showing his full potential at the moment, which is a shame, because it is quite clear that he has the raw pace to do it and the racecraft to back it up. :/


At that point in that race he was not capable of fighting off Lewis as the rest of the race proved. So why screw upo lewis' race risk taking them both of and loosing McLaren points for nothing?? What he did in the second half of last year is completelt irrelevant :rolleyes:
#56213
dude im not saying he is the master of the dry or Lewis is related to Jesus maternally.....i have issue with the following
by saying he wins from pole is implying he had it easy as in a FLAG TO FLAG VICTORY! people say this about winning from pole its to take away from a drivers efforts implying they didnt need to PASS to get the win!

Yes Lewis had pole but after the SC a new race began his Qualifying efforts to get pole meant nothing after the safety car especially by not pitting during the SC period.
in effect he came from 4th to 1at and took the win!!!
so your assumptions of today is inaccurate and all the intelligent grammer you can throw out there wont change the fact youre talking s*** :thumbup:

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