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#54837
From ITV.com:

After Lewis Hamilton’s majestic British Grand Prix win, Sir Jackie Stewart and others have hailed him as Formula 1’s new rain master.

Throughout Formula 1 history a few drivers have shown a special affinity for driving in the rain. Some – Jacky Ickx or Jean Alesi for example – seemed to reach a level they couldn’t quite manage in the dry; while others, like Stewart, Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher, were the best of their generation in any conditions but especially awesome in the wet.

In his latest feature for itv.com/f1, Mark Hughes analyses what it is about Hamilton that makes him a great wet-weather driver, giving a fascinating insight into his driving technique.


Lewis Hamilton has now won three of the past four wet grands prix: Silverstone and Monaco this year added to Japan 2007.

In fact the only wet grand prix he’s contested and not won since that Fuji race was the infamous Chinese GP, and even then he showed a startling superiority before his intermediate tyres wore out.

Of the four guys in the two quickest cars at the head of the field, he’s clearly the best wet-weather driver.

It’s a mixture of a wonderfully fine-honed feel for the messages the car is giving him and a driving style that allows him the flexibility to adapt to whatever the car’s dominant handling trait is.

This latter point is a huge boon in wet-weather racing, where the variation in the car’s behaviour is much greater than in the dry because of the more variable grip levels.

Hamilton likes to be able to use the rear of the car to help him turn in. He’s totally relaxed with an oversteering, sliding car and is superb at maintaining momentum going into the corner even with the rear out of line.

His feel allows him to manipulate the car in such a way that the oversteer never becomes excessive.

Instead it just scrubs the excess speed away, usually even before the apex is reached, and he arrives there with the direction change completed, disruptive steering lock kept to a minimum.

It’s tricky as hell to make work in wet conditions – far easier to just lean against the front of an understeering car (where the front tyres, rather than the rears, are running wide), using the scrub of sliding front tyres to dictate the pace.

But if you can pull it off, if your inner ear balance and feel is good enough, you can use an oversteering car to come down to the grip level before you get to the apex.

You can do this with an understeering car too; in fact it’s much easier to do so. But you lose time because the very thing you’re trying to accomplish – direction change – is by definition delayed by the initial understeer, the car’s reluctance to turn.

Oversteer helps the direction change and so long as you can then prevent that rear slide gaining too much momentum, you keep the time you gained during the turn-in.

We’re talking very small degrees here; take just a little too much speed in and the oversteer that’s aided your direction change will develop into a full-blown spin in the blink of an eye.

But if your feel is good enough, what to others feels like a thin ribbon of margin will feel like a big, wide expanse of possibilities and options.

This feel will allow you to gauge grip from braking into what you’re going to have in the corner, so you can get the entry speed somewhere in the ballpark without having to be too conservative.

Then too much oversteer after turning in? A slight lift of the throttle. Not quite enough? A bit more loud pedal or alternatively let the slide build a little longer before correcting it. Or a mixture of both responses.

All instinctively done, not even thinking about it, just living it because your feel is buying you creative time. And the longer you live in that zone, the better and more at ease you become there.

We are also talking slow- and medium-speed corners only. In the faster turns there is so much downforce working on the rear wing and underbody that the rear end is next-to-impossible to unstick; the downforce squares with the speed and is more powerful at the rear, and so at cornering speeds of more than 120mph, if you’ve managed to get the car turned in, there’s no way the rear is going to surrender.

But this brings us to another advantage of being at ease with oversteer. It means you can get away with running less rear wing than drivers who need to avoid oversteer in the wet.

So as the track dries out, those drivers will be penalised relative to Hamilton as the rear wing angle costs them more lap time in lost straightline speed than it is buying them in corner speed.

With the variable conditions, as the track alternately begins to dry then become wetter again, Lewis’s style again gives him flexibility over a wider range of conditions; he is able to do a lap time in the wet that doesn’t need so much of a feature (increased rear wing angle) that will cost him time as the track dries.

There’s an important distinction to be made here between ‘closed loop’ and ‘open loop’ driving.

In the former case, a driver will correct a slide in reaction to it happening. With open loop, he will be using his feel anticipate, to make the correct inputs almost ahead of what the car is doing.

All drivers will use a mixture of both, but the proportion will vary. Lewis almost certainly performs with a high proportion of open loop, allowing him to gauge more precisely possible entry speeds.

With the more consistent grip of a dry track this won’t matter so much, but its advantage will certainly be felt when the grip is more variable on a rainy afternoon.

If every race this year were to be wet, Hamilton’s chances of a world title would be much enhanced.

That won’t happen of course, but he must be optimistic about his chances at Spa, Fuji and, possibly, Interlagos.
#54849
If he'd driven like Massa that would've been more than enough for many on this forum to say he's rubbish in the wet, on the basis of 1 race.

You say "One good race in the wet and he's now a rainmaster?" ? Do you follow F1 at all? so far in his career he's had 5 or 6 wet races and of those he's won 3, in fairly dominant style. Maybe not enough to call him the rainmaster but you gotta admit he can be pretty good. Although maybe things look different through those rouge tinted spectacles.
#54852
One good race in the wet and he's now a rainmaster?

I don't think so...


Actually this year Hamilton has kicked arse twice in the wet. Maybe just for now "We can think so" that is say Hamilton is the new Rain Master. But it is still early days in his career so who knows yet. I remember Jean Alsei the French-Sicilian as he was always referred to, showed potential at being a future world champion. I remember when he was at Tyrell he was good in a crap car. I remember when Senna and the best car then (McLaren-Honda) passed Alesi in the Pheonix GP only for Alesi to pass him back on the next corner. This meant Senna had to do it all aain the next lap which he did. This was back in 1990. Alesi had a great year and then moved to Ferrari in 1991, a team that was far better than Tyrell and had potential. He only ever won 1 race from 1991 to 1995 which were the years he was at Ferrari. So from potential world champion he became a flop. So again with Hamilton, although a flop is unlikely, it is still however early days to call him "The Rain Master" based on the result of 2 or 3 wet races.
#54889
One good race in the wet and he's now a rainmaster?

I don't think so...


actually he has won 3 wet races out of 7 wins :thumbup:

Yes, and could've won another one on top of that.

Ayrton Senna got called the rain master very early in his career after a string of brilliant performances in the rain. The 1984 Monaco Grand Prix virtually sealed his reputation in that department for God's sake!

It's too early to start mentioning Hamilton and Senna in the same breath, but Hamilton is clearly very gifted at driving a car in any conditions. The only difference is the wet makes excellent car control even more noticeable.
#54975
One good race in the wet and he's now a rainmaster?

I don't think so...


actually he has won 3 wet races out of 7 wins :thumbup:

Yes, and could've won another one on top of that.

Ayrton Senna got called the rain master very early in his career after a string of brilliant performances in the rain. The 1984 Monaco Grand Prix virtually sealed his reputation in that department for God's sake!

It's too early to start mentioning Hamilton and Senna in the same breath, but Hamilton is clearly very gifted at driving a car in any conditions. The only difference is the wet makes excellent car control even more noticeable.

:):thumbup:
#55165
It's gunna take more wins in the wet to become a rainmaster. No driver can be classified as a rainmaster after 3 wins the wet, I'm sorry, you just can't. The same goes to every driver. I personally believe at the moment there is no 'rainmaster' in the field. Give it time though.
#55239
Hello people - I've been looking for a good F1 blog.

Hamilton is certainly a great driver and good in the wet, but I think the jury is still out as to whether he shades Kimi in the rain. This year at Silverstone Ferrari hamstrung Kimi by not changing his tyres at the first pitstop. Kimi was catching Hamilton around a second per lap before that stop. It would have been great to see Kimi head to head with Lewis on the same tyres. If Lewis had have come out on top in those circumstances I'd agree with Mark Hughes' analysis.

Likewise Fuji last year was a great drive by Lewis, but we didn't really get to see him on equal terms with Kimi because of tyre choice mistakes by Ferrari. (And Lewis was also lucky that Vettel took out Webber under the safety car, because he was closing in before that.) Notably in both races Kimi managed to recover in very uphill circumstances to score well.

So as I say, a great performance, but too early to come to the conclusions of Hughes.
#55240
Hello people - I've been looking for a good F1 blog.

Hamilton is certainly a great driver and good in the wet, but I think the jury is still out as to whether he shades Kimi in the rain. This year at Silverstone Ferrari hamstrung Kimi by not changing his tyres at the first pitstop. Kimi was catching Hamilton around a second per lap before that stop. It would have been great to see Kimi head to head with Lewis on the same tyres. If Lewis had have come out on top in those circumstances I'd agree with Mark Hughes' analysis.

Likewise Fuji last year was a great drive by Lewis, but we didn't really get to see him on equal terms with Kimi because of tyre choice mistakes by Ferrari. (And Lewis was also lucky that Vettel took out Webber under the safety car, because he was closing in before that.) Notably in both races Kimi managed to recover in very uphill circumstances to score well.

So as I say, a great performance, but too early to come to the conclusions of Hughes.


Welcome, you came to the right place and I pretty much agree with you. This is the best F1 forum I've been on :)
#55243
Hello people - I've been looking for a good F1 blog.

Hamilton is certainly a great driver and good in the wet, but I think the jury is still out as to whether he shades Kimi in the rain. This year at Silverstone Ferrari hamstrung Kimi by not changing his tyres at the first pitstop. Kimi was catching Hamilton around a second per lap before that stop. It would have been great to see Kimi head to head with Lewis on the same tyres. If Lewis had have come out on top in those circumstances I'd agree with Mark Hughes' analysis.

Likewise Fuji last year was a great drive by Lewis, but we didn't really get to see him on equal terms with Kimi because of tyre choice mistakes by Ferrari. (And Lewis was also lucky that Vettel took out Webber under the safety car, because he was closing in before that.) Notably in both races Kimi managed to recover in very uphill circumstances to score well.

So as I say, a great performance, but too early to come to the conclusions of Hughes.


Kimi hamstrung himself as he was apart of the decision to stay on his first set of tyres. and was only catching Lewis because at that point in time the track was drying and that suited Kimi's tyres, and after that he spun off himself. Point in fact Kimi made mistakes in tyre choice and in driving so to use Kimi as a bench mark to compare Lewis who drove away to a i minute win is silly if you ask me :wink:
Do you remember Kimi missing the pits in Germany last year? and as for Fuji without a Massa pitstop with 5 or so laps to go Kimi would have finished behind his team mate.
so i would say i agree its too early to say Lewis is the new rain master but what he has demonstrated so far is he is better in the wet than Kimi :thumbup:
#55246
Hello people - I've been looking for a good F1 blog.

Hamilton is certainly a great driver and good in the wet, but I think the jury is still out as to whether he shades Kimi in the rain. This year at Silverstone Ferrari hamstrung Kimi by not changing his tyres at the first pitstop. Kimi was catching Hamilton around a second per lap before that stop. It would have been great to see Kimi head to head with Lewis on the same tyres. If Lewis had have come out on top in those circumstances I'd agree with Mark Hughes' analysis.

Likewise Fuji last year was a great drive by Lewis, but we didn't really get to see him on equal terms with Kimi because of tyre choice mistakes by Ferrari. (And Lewis was also lucky that Vettel took out Webber under the safety car, because he was closing in before that.) Notably in both races Kimi managed to recover in very uphill circumstances to score well.

So as I say, a great performance, but too early to come to the conclusions of Hughes.


Kimi hamstrung himself as he was apart of the decision to stay on his first set of tyres. and was only catching Lewis because at that point in time the track was drying and that suited Kimi's tyres, and after that he spun off himself. Point in fact Kimi made mistakes in tyre choice and in driving so to use Kimi as a bench mark to compare Lewis who drove away to a i minute win is silly if you ask me :wink:
Do you remember Kimi missing the pits in Germany last year? and as for Fuji without a Massa pitstop with 5 or so laps to go Kimi would have finished behind his team mate.
so i would say i agree its too early to say Lewis is the new rain master but what he has demonstrated so far is he is better in the wet than Kimi :thumbup:


Have to take issue with your "point in fact". Responsibility for the tyre choice is largely the team's, who advised Kimi that it wasn't going to rain, as Baldisserri said after the race. Kimi may have had the final choice as to whether or not to change the tyres, but he did so on the basis of faulty weather prediction by the team, who are obviously in a much better position to make such decisions than the driver. Of course he spun off with worn intermediates on a track that needed extremes. And he still managed to keep it together all the way into another feul window, which enabled him to finish fourth. And I agree with you on one thing: to use the fact that Lewis finished a minute ahead in a race where Kimi had to race the key stint on the wrong tyres is a silly benchmark.

Neither is Fuji a proper benchmark - both Ferraris were dropped to the back of the field because the FIA ordered them to pit and put on extremes (and yet Kimi recovered to third, within 10 seconds of Lewis out front. Oh, and do you remember Lewis spinning off at the Nurburgring last year? And do you remember him coming in for dries and having to come back in before his fuel window, a decision that flumoxed everyone, cost him getting any points, and which he admitted was all his?

No way Lewis has demonstrated he is better than Kimi in the wet.
#55247
Kimi spun off on worn intermediates on a track that needed extemes youre right, but Lewis was racing on the same track with the same intermediates wasnt he? or was i watching a different race? :rofl:

He finished ten seconds behind Lewis in Fuji because of SC intervening and did you miss the point that Massa was ahead of Kimi and only pitted so the team could give Kimi the position without getting in trouble for team orders on track.

as for the Nür race Lewis was on the back foot from the get go with his crash in Q so needed to make up ground with drastic choices one of those was the choice in tyres which in the end cost him points and the title. as for his spinning off, every car that reached that point in the track spun off until double waved yellows but thats just bad driving eh :rolleyes:
#55252
Bud you're just saying Hamilton is better because he drives McLaren. Technique Freak you're just saying Raikkonen is better because he is a Ferrari driver. Ok I am a Ferrari tifosa and you know what, I think that you're Hamilton driver Bud is better in the wet than Raikkonen. But it makes no difference. Raikkonen has the better car and will win in the end. And at the end of the day I couldn't careless if Raikkonen isn't the "Rainmaster". All I care is that Ferrari, my team wins. :wink:

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