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[deMuRe]

Driving in the wet rewards the very best drivers. It's being shown time and again throughout history, with folk such as Clark, Stewart, Schumacher and Senna showing that they are a cut above the rest in wet conditions. Massa, no matter how hard he works to improve his skills, which is very admirable, just does not possess that extra special piece of God-given skill that separates good drivers from great drivers.

It's called the 'X-Factor'.

That intangible quality that allows the cream to rise to the top in Formula 1.

Massa doesn't have it, Alonso and Kimi are the only 2 on the current grid with that something extra.

Lewis? Not sure, needs a world championship under his belt first...

[McLaren Fan]

Lewis? Not sure, needs a world championship under his belt first...

I think he does have it. A world championship does not magically give you more skill, although it may take some pressure off you. It can be seen from Hamilton's driving style and car control that does have skills that the only the top drivers have. Hamilton's problems have been down to inexperience, gaffes and an inability to deal with pressure on several occasions, rather than a lack of raw speed.

[deMuRe]

Lewis? Not sure, needs a world championship under his belt first...

I think he does have it. A world championship does not magically give you more skill, although it may take some pressure off you. It can be seen from Hamilton's driving style and car control that does have skills that the only the top drivers have. Hamilton's problems have been down to inexperience, gaffes and an inability to deal with pressure on several occasions, rather than a lack of raw speed.

You chose the wrong words to end your argument. Raw speed doesn't win you championships. You need to be consistent and level headed and he's just not there yet... The sings are promising but he's not proven himself completely yet.

Another problem is he's always had a good car, needs to do it with another team me thinks before he really gets the kudos his followers are looking for.

[McLaren Fan]

Lewis? Not sure, needs a world championship under his belt first...

I think he does have it. A world championship does not magically give you more skill, although it may take some pressure off you. It can be seen from Hamilton's driving style and car control that does have skills that the only the top drivers have. Hamilton's problems have been down to inexperience, gaffes and an inability to deal with pressure on several occasions, rather than a lack of raw speed.

You chose the wrong words to end your argument. Raw speed doesn't win you championships. You need to be consistent and level headed and he's just not there yet... The sings are promising but he's not proven himself completely yet.

Another problem is he's always had a good car, needs to do it with another team me thinks before he really gets the kudos his followers are looking for.

I think I ended my argument perfectly fine. You can gain experience, you can learn from your mistakes, but you can't learn God-given natural talent in terms of car control and raw speed. Hamilton has shown he has the skill required, but, as I said before, inexperience, gaffes and pressure are what have cost him. Hamilton's not there yet, but he has the potential, and he's at the right team to unleash this potential.

[deMuRe]

Why is 1999 in bold on your sig?

I'm guessing the other two years in bold had something to do with Senna/Prost and the Spy Scandal.

[darwin dali]

Why is 1999 in bold on your sig?

I'm guessing the other two years in bold had something to do with Senna/Prost and the Spy Scandal.

He claims Ferrari won it undeservedly because they had allegedly illegal barge boards when it was demonstrated that the measuring equipment was faulty.

[McLaren Fan]

Why is 1999 in bold on your sig?

I'm guessing the other two years in bold had something to do with Senna/Prost and the Spy Scandal.

What's that got to with Massa or Hamilton. Shit-stirring again? Now, run along.

[McLaren Fan]

Why is 1999 in bold on your sig?

I'm guessing the other two years in bold had something to do with Senna/Prost and the Spy Scandal.

He claims Ferrari won it undeservedly because they had allegedly illegal barge boards when it was demonstrated that the measuring equipment was faulty.

The measuring equipment may have been faulty, but the part was illegal, as I explained to you a fortnight or so ago.

[darwin dali]

Why is 1999 in bold on your sig?

I'm guessing the other two years in bold had something to do with Senna/Prost and the Spy Scandal.

He claims Ferrari won it undeservedly because they had allegedly illegal barge boards when it was demonstrated that the measuring equipment was faulty.

The measuring equipment may have been faulty, but the part was illegal, as I explained to you a fortnight or so ago.

Re-measurement showed they were within the tolerance according to the rules back then - that's why the FIA rescinded the disqualification.

[McLaren Fan]

Why is 1999 in bold on your sig?

I'm guessing the other two years in bold had something to do with Senna/Prost and the Spy Scandal.

He claims Ferrari won it undeservedly because they had allegedly illegal barge boards when it was demonstrated that the measuring equipment was faulty.

The measuring equipment may have been faulty, but the part was illegal, as I explained to you a fortnight or so ago.

Re-measurement showed they were within the tolerance according to the rules back then - that's why the FIA rescinded the disqualification.

Ferrari themselves said (Ross Brawn, if I remember rightly) that the part was illegal the very evening and day immediately after they were disqualified. Jean Todt even offered his resignation, and got a very icy response back from di Montezemolo, saying that he should lead the team until the end of the season, but whether or not he would continue after this was in doubt. Several days later, Ferrari decide to try to prove that part was legal and came up with a rather novel take on the rules to bowl over the FIA. It did, for the FIA, true to form, caved into personal and political motives.

[deMuRe]

Why is 1999 in bold on your sig?

I'm guessing the other two years in bold had something to do with Senna/Prost and the Spy Scandal.

He claims Ferrari won it undeservedly because they had allegedly illegal barge boards when it was demonstrated that the measuring equipment was faulty.

For f*cks sake, somebody has an issue with losing...

[Mikep99]

Why is 1999 in bold on your sig?

I'm guessing the other two years in bold had something to do with Senna/Prost and the Spy Scandal.

He claims Ferrari won it undeservedly because they had allegedly illegal barge boards when it was demonstrated that the measuring equipment was faulty.

For f*cks sake, somebody has an issue with losing...

No I think the issue is when they do loose they look for every excuse under the sun to why they did & it never seems to be because of there own incompetence.

[McLaren Fan]

Why is 1999 in bold on your sig?

I'm guessing the other two years in bold had something to do with Senna/Prost and the Spy Scandal.

He claims Ferrari won it undeservedly because they had allegedly illegal barge boards when it was demonstrated that the measuring equipment was faulty.

For f*cks sake, somebody has an issue with losing...

See above. Perhaps your eyes are going bad now, DeMuRe? I know that the two of us have never seen eye to eye on this forum, but don't you think you should maybe get a medical check-up?

[deMuRe]

Why is 1999 in bold on your sig?

I'm guessing the other two years in bold had something to do with Senna/Prost and the Spy Scandal.

He claims Ferrari won it undeservedly because they had allegedly illegal barge boards when it was demonstrated that the measuring equipment was faulty.

For f*cks sake, somebody has an issue with losing...

No I think the issue is when they do loose they look for every excuse under the sun to why they did & it never seems to be because of there own incompetence.

Yeah I think that is the heart of the issue here. Always blaming someone else for their own mistakes, that seems to be the McLaren modus operandi these days.

[McLaren Fan]

No I think the issue is when they do loose they look for every excuse under the sun to why they did & it never seems to be because of there own incompetence.

For how long have you been reading my posts on this forum? A few months. Maybe you should have heard what I had to say about McLaren from c.2001 to 2006.