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By scotty
#53745
Well, credit to them for actually admitting they f'd up today. Hopefully Raikkonen can win in Germany, he needs it.

As for it being 'the mark of an honest team', i'll just sit back and wait for the McLaren lot to turn up, then sit back and laugh at the likely arguments. :wink:
#53750
massa just had one of those days were nothing goes right...
but the mistake they made not changing the the other drivers tyres does not really need to be admitted as it was a blatent mistake . . . ross got it spot on for honda and the drive by lewis was like watching the great schumacher in the rain
#53755
massa just had one of those days were nothing goes right...
but the mistake they made not changing the the other drivers tyres does not really need to be admitted as it was a blatent mistake . . . ross got it spot on for honda and the drive by lewis was like watching the great schumacher in the rain


I presume that they were hoping that the track would dry, and they'd get the speed bonus of having inters worn down to slicks. I hope that with the change to slick dry tyres next year, that this situation will disappear and the teams won't be forced to do odd things with tyre strategy or be disadvantaged.
#53758
Well, credit to them for actually admitting they f'd up today. Hopefully Raikkonen can win in Germany, he needs it.

As for it being 'the mark of an honest team', i'll just sit back and wait for the McLaren lot to turn up, then sit back and laugh at the likely arguments. :wink:

Na. We just laugh at you and you complete inability to look beyond Ferrari. :thumbdown:

Ferrari were an embarrassment this weekend. The car was truly awful and their decision making was inept. A few slaps on the wrist are certainly required in the Maranello mob. :hehe:

As for Raikkonen and Dominicali's claim that they could have won the race: :rofl: The sign of an honest team, eh? :rofl:
#53762

As for Raikkonen and Dominicali's claim that they could have won the race: :rofl: The sign of an honest team, eh? :rofl:


I think they had a chance because Raikkonen had pretty good pace in his first stint, and was catching Hammy. However once the first pitstop came it all went downhill.
#53765
Where are the waves of anti-Ferrari posts? I thought McLaren were the only team that screw-up! When McLaren make an error, the usual suspects on this forum can't contain their criticisms. When it's Ferrari, however, few people bat an eye.
#53769
Where are the waves of anti-Ferrari posts? I thought McLaren were the only team that screw-up! When McLaren make an error, the usual suspects on this forum can't contain their criticisms. When it's Ferrari, however, few people bat an eye.


Pretty well everyone who has commented on the race has said that Ferrari conclusively f'd up. Even the Ferrari fans. And on the proper news services, Ferrari and its drivers admit that they f'd up. What more do you expect to see?
#53770
Na. We just laugh at you and you complete inability to look beyond Ferrari. :thumbdown:


What? Like my comments that Lewis drove as Schumi might have done, and that Honda's Ross Brawn was the only one who got the tyres right? Others with Ferrari pictures in their profiles have said similar. I think you have your blinkers on to exclude any post that doesn't match your preconceptions of Ferrari fans.

Ferrari were an embarrassment this weekend. The car was truly awful and their decision making was inept. A few slaps on the wrist are certainly required in the Maranello mob. :hehe:

As for Raikkonen and Dominicali's claim that they could have won the race: :rofl: The sign of an honest team, eh? :rofl:


Car itself was OK, problems were elsewhere. As many have pointed out, look at Kimi's speed before the first pitstop. A second a lap on Lewis some laps. Generally having a faster car and being just behind your competitor at the first pitstop gives you a pretty good chance of a win. Unless you balls up your tyre strategy of course.
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By scotty
#53778
Well, credit to them for actually admitting they f'd up today. Hopefully Raikkonen can win in Germany, he needs it.

As for it being 'the mark of an honest team', i'll just sit back and wait for the McLaren lot to turn up, then sit back and laugh at the likely arguments. :wink:

Na. We just laugh at you and you complete inability to look beyond Ferrari. :thumbdown:

Ferrari were an embarrassment this weekend. The car was truly awful and their decision making was inept. A few slaps on the wrist are certainly required in the Maranello mob. :hehe:

As for Raikkonen and Dominicali's claim that they could have won the race: :rofl: The sign of an honest team, eh? :rofl:


You think i support Ferrari? :rofl:

I like Raikkonen, but definately not Ferrari as a team!
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By racechick
#53779
massa just had one of those days were nothing goes right...
but the mistake they made not changing the the other drivers tyres does not really need to be admitted as it was a blatent mistake . . . ross got it spot on for honda and the drive by lewis was like watching the great schumacher in the rain


I presume that they were hoping that the track would dry, and they'd get the speed bonus of having inters worn down to slicks. I hope that with the change to slick dry tyres next year, that this situation will disappear and the teams won't be forced to do odd things with tyre strategy or be disadvantaged.

:hehe::hehe::hehe: The track dry?? You only had to look into the sky to see that wasnt going to happen :rolleyes: Even if they change to slicks there will still be wet weather tyres and the teams will have to decide when to use them. Tyres aside Ferrari made a wrong decision with Kimi but even when he was on the right tyres he as way off Lewis' pace. Massa couldnt hack the conditions.
#53782
:hehe::hehe::hehe: The track dry?? You only had to look into the sky to see that wasnt going to happen :rolleyes: Even if they change to slicks there will still be wet weather tyres and the teams will have to decide when to use them. Tyres aside Ferrari made a wrong decision with Kimi but even when he was on the right tyres he as way off Lewis' pace. Massa couldnt hack the conditions.


Kimi was faster than Lewis in the early part of the race, particularly just before the pitstop. Kimi lost out at the start, and after inexplicable tyre decisions, was back on traffic. Kimi did speed up again near the end of the race, but after clearing the big gaggle of cars fighting for fourth, was too far behind. Raikkonen got the fastest lap of the race, so I don't accept that he was way off Lewis' pace as a whole in the race.

Before the first pitstop times were falling, and it looked like they might even get towards the 1:31 that Brundle suggested was the time indicating that a change to slicks would be in order. Brundle also mentioned that Silverstone dries quickly. But if there was no chance of the track becoming sufficiently dry, then it really would call into question what Ferrari (and other teams) were thinking when they didn't change the tyres. There must be some reasoning for that strategy, no matter how ill conceived.
By Mikep99
#53785
Ferrari race strategy :confused:

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They will learn from it & will be back.
But even though it was a monumental stuff up Kimi did well.
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By racechick
#53786
:hehe::hehe::hehe: The track dry?? You only had to look into the sky to see that wasnt going to happen :rolleyes: Even if they change to slicks there will still be wet weather tyres and the teams will have to decide when to use them. Tyres aside Ferrari made a wrong decision with Kimi but even when he was on the right tyres he as way off Lewis' pace. Massa couldnt hack the conditions.


Kimi was faster than Lewis in the early part of the race, particularly just before the pitstop. Kimi lost out at the start, and after inexplicable tyre decisions, was back on traffic. Kimi did speed up again near the end of the race, but after clearing the big gaggle of cars fighting for fourth, was too far behind. Raikkonen got the fastest lap of the race, so I don't accept that he was way off Lewis' pace as a whole in the race.

Before the first pitstop times were falling, and it looked like they might even get towards the 1:31 that Brundle suggested was the time indicating that a change to slicks would be in order. Brundle also mentioned that Silverstone dries quickly. But if there was no chance of the track becoming sufficiently dry, then it really would call into question what Ferrari (and other teams) were thinking when they didn't change the tyres. There must be some reasoning for that strategy, no matter how ill conceived.


Even when the sun briefly shone you could see black clouds blowing in. It was highly highly unlikely at that stage in the race to become a slick race even if the rain held off.
Lewis took 2 nearly 3positions at the start and once past heikki pulled out a lead on Kimi. Yes kimi pulled back time briefly, lost out hugely with the tyre blunder but when on good tyres and it got wetter, he was way off the pace of Lewis, and he mostly wasnt in traffic cos I saw him coming round in clean air.
By Mikep99
#53791
Where are the waves of anti-Ferrari posts? I thought McLaren were the only team that screw-up! When McLaren make an error, the usual suspects on this forum can't contain their criticisms. When it's Ferrari, however, few people bat an eye.


Really MF
I don't see any of the USUAL SUSPECTS blaming anyone but the team.

And more to the point the team and the drivers seem to agree.
Now compare this with how another team, drivers & fans's react and then come and see me mate.
Keep fishing mate you might convince yourself one day :bs:


No conspiracy's, No FIA bias, No Driver's unable to admit when they FU

Formula 1 » Raikkonen: Bad, but could have been worse…
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/165867-0/raikkonen_bad_but_could_have_been_worse.html

Reigning F1 World Champion Kimi Raikkonen's miserable 2008 mid-season run continues in the British Grand Prix at Silverstone, as a misguided tyre call costs the Finn and his Ferrari team any chance of triumphing.
Kimi Raikkonen was in characteristically phlegmatic mood at the end of today's British Grand Prix at Silverstone, after a mistaken tyre strategy by Ferrari cost him any hope of challenging for victory.

The Finn had looked menacing in the early stages of the race, closing in on the back of leader Lewis Hamilton prior to the first round of pit-stops – but that was where it all began to go wrong.

Sticking with the same set of intermediate tyres ultimately left the reigning Formula 1 World Champion scrabbling around for grip within the space of around ten laps, seeing him succumb to Heikki Kovalainen and Nick Heidfeld practically in one fell swoop, and he later endured a brace of spins before overhauling the Renault of Fernando Alonso in the dying laps to at least salvage five points from a race that fell a long way short of expectations – with fastest lap to his name ultimately proving little consolation.
“I am disappointed,” the 28-year-old reflected afterwards, “but I am equally aware that things could have been much worse. We had the possibility to win the race but we made a mistake at the first pit-stop, keeping the same set of tyres, because we expected the track conditions to improve. It was a joint decision – we are a team and we win or lose together.
“Things are not going too well for me at the moment, given all that happened in the last few races, but I am leading the championship, even if it is on equal terms with Felipe and Lewis. We know we have a great potential, but we have to put everything in place to get the most out of it.”
Raikkonen's understandable frustrations were shared by his Maranello paymasters Stefano Domenicali and Luca Baldisserri – both of whom were left ruing a key strategic error that cost the Scuderia the chance of making it six successes from nine races so far this season.
“We are very disappointed with the way things went today,” confessed technical director Baldisserri. “Kimi was having a great race and he had every chance of fighting for the win, but we made a wrong choice at the first stop. We had banked on the weather getting better and it didn't; in fact the rain actually intensified for a while, which put our drivers in great difficulty.

“Clearly, looking back, one could say we should not have made this decision, but it was not just a shot in the dark, as seen from the fact that we were not the only ones to make this choice out of all the drivers who stopped around this time.”

“A Sunday to forget as quickly as possible in terms of the result,” agreed team principal Domenicali, “although we must remember certain elements of this weekend, as there were mistakes made that we cannot afford to repeat. We could have won this race with Kimi, but we made a key mistake at the first pit-stop, choosing to stay on the same set of tyres.
“The rain did not ease off and lasted longer and our drivers – Felipe [Massa] had also gone for the same choice – found themselves in difficulty. With hindsight it's easy to say we should have changed tyres, but Formula 1 is not an exact science – sometimes strategic choices pay off and sometimes they don't.

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