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By Rob-F1
#50922
Now Lewis is starting 13th and Heiki is starting 10th, Who will finish highest is the GP 2moz

I bet my house, my parents cars, even my British Grand Prix tickets that Heikki will finish ahead of Lewis... oh wait, he did. :D
#50948
Alonso Is a team player.

Oh, come off it. I'm prepared to give you that Ron Dennis' comments were a little bit of wishful thinking, but have you got any evidence to support your claim that McLaren are favouring Hamilton over Kovalainen? In fact, it is McLaren who are coming out and defending Kovalainen against certain people who have been criticising this season. Your team, Renault, hung Kovalainen out to dry last year when things weren't going according to plan. Remember that? :rolleyes:
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By EwanM
#50950
Alonso Is a team player.

Oh, come off it. I'm prepared to give you that Ron Dennis' comments were a little bit of wishful thinking, but have you got any evidence to support your claim that McLaren are favouring Hamilton over Kovalainen? In fact, it is McLaren who are coming out and defending Kovalainen against certain people who have been criticising this season. Your team, Renault, hung Kovalainen out to dry last year when things weren't going according to plan. Remember that? :rolleyes:


I do, Mclaren haven't always been impartial. That doesnt mean they haven't treated drivers equally tho.
#50975
Alonso Is a team player.

Oh, come off it. I'm prepared to give you that Ron Dennis' comments were a little bit of wishful thinking, but have you got any evidence to support your claim that McLaren are favouring Hamilton over Kovalainen? In fact, it is McLaren who are coming out and defending Kovalainen against certain people who have been criticising this season. Your team, Renault, hung Kovalainen out to dry last year when things weren't going according to plan. Remember that? :rolleyes:


I do, Mclaren haven't always been impartial. That doesnt mean they haven't treated drivers equally tho.

It's impossible to get things completely equal in a team. There is always the possibility of a driver having a great bond with the team if he has been part of the organisation for a while, or have been through hard times together, which was the case when Hakkinen was at the team. Then, you have different personalities as well; some people are more extrovert and others more introvert. On the technical and racing sides, it's very difficult for a team to make two cars to suit each of their drivers' styles, and you've only got one pit box, so a decision will have to be taken on who will get such and such a pitstop strategy and who won't. If you go to McLaren with the desire and ability to win, you'll get the benefits of the team's environment. It may not be to be everybody's taste, and it has disadvantages as well as advantages, but that's how the team is run.
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By racechick
#51229
Alonso Is a team player.

Oh, come off it. I'm prepared to give you that Ron Dennis' comments were a little bit of wishful thinking, but have you got any evidence to support your claim that McLaren are favouring Hamilton over Kovalainen? In fact, it is McLaren who are coming out and defending Kovalainen against certain people who have been criticising this season. Your team, Renault, hung Kovalainen out to dry last year when things weren't going according to plan. Remember that? :rolleyes:


I do, Mclaren haven't always been impartial. That doesnt mean they haven't treated drivers equally tho.

It's impossible to get things completely equal in a team. There is always the possibility of a driver having a great bond with the team if he has been part of the organisation for a while, or have been through hard times together, which was the case when Hakkinen was at the team. Then, you have different personalities as well; some people are more extrovert and others more introvert. On the technical and racing sides, it's very difficult for a team to make two cars to suit each of their drivers' styles, and you've only got one pit box, so a decision will have to be taken on who will get such and such a pitstop strategy and who won't. If you go to McLaren with the desire and ability to win, you'll get the benefits of the team's environment. It may not be to be everybody's taste, and it has disadvantages as well as advantages, but that's how the team is run.

yes, having a favourite does not mean you treat one any different to the other. One is emotion the other is professionalism and thats how mcLaren operate. I teach little kids and some are easy to bond with straight away, others take longer but all the time they are treaterd absolutely equally.Thats how mcLaren operate and they will only deviate from this when one driver cannot mathematically win or(as in Monacco) it is neccessary to cover two scenarios-like the coming out of the SC
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By nikon133
#51262
Alonso Is a team player.

Oh, come off it. I'm prepared to give you that Ron Dennis' comments were a little bit of wishful thinking, but have you got any evidence to support your claim that McLaren are favouring Hamilton over Kovalainen? In fact, it is McLaren who are coming out and defending Kovalainen against certain people who have been criticising this season. Your team, Renault, hung Kovalainen out to dry last year when things weren't going according to plan. Remember that? :rolleyes:


I do, Mclaren haven't always been impartial. That doesnt mean they haven't treated drivers equally tho.

It's impossible to get things completely equal in a team. There is always the possibility of a driver having a great bond with the team if he has been part of the organisation for a while, or have been through hard times together, which was the case when Hakkinen was at the team. Then, you have different personalities as well; some people are more extrovert and others more introvert. On the technical and racing sides, it's very difficult for a team to make two cars to suit each of their drivers' styles, and you've only got one pit box, so a decision will have to be taken on who will get such and such a pitstop strategy and who won't. If you go to McLaren with the desire and ability to win, you'll get the benefits of the team's environment. It may not be to be everybody's taste, and it has disadvantages as well as advantages, but that's how the team is run.

yes, having a favourite does not mean you treat one any different to the other. One is emotion the other is professionalism and thats how mcLaren operate. I teach little kids and some are easy to bond with straight away, others take longer but all the time they are treaterd absolutely equally.Thats how mcLaren operate and they will only deviate from this when one driver cannot mathematically win or(as in Monacco) it is neccessary to cover two scenarios-like the coming out of the SC


I would like to agree with you, but simple fact is - I don't know how McLaren operates. And neither do you. Unless you have managed to spend some significant time inside the team and observe things first hand; because I haven't.

While I'd like to trust McLaren executives without doubt, what some of departed McLaren drivers have said makes me wonder.

At the end of day, favoring one driver and making his life a bit easier is nothing new to F1, and if McLaren is doing that, I'm sure they are not doing it to an extend Ferrari did for MS. But that they are not doing it at all... :irked:
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By nikon133
#51281
Mclaren saying LH could of got pole makes me laugh :rofl:

they were nowhere near the pace in Q1 & Q2 and then said they were hampered by the planned strategy, but I bet you they are running light and thats why he got 3rd. People of Earth (including Honda fans) dont be fooled!


Well he could... like, I could have won LOTTO last week. Not that chances were big, but... :wink:

A part of annoying LH hype is that everyone in team's management is always so willing to defend him and find excuses for him. So what if he even really could have won the pole? He didn't. End of story. What is the point of that exercise? As if RD is trying co convince fans (and himself) that LH is really as good as he keeps telling us he is.

Results, Ron. Reality. Not what could have happened.


im getting tired Nikon its no different to Domenicali or Kimi saying he could have had pole and he has said that this season a few times!

get over it ffs :banghead::ranting:


Don't get me wrong, Bud, I'm not saying others are not crapping in the same general direction, but I don't care for their crap. I do care for McLaren and I want them to do/act better than Ferrari/others.

I simply don't see the point of saying something like that - except for purpose of stubborn defiant defending of Lewis (and Ron's decision to support him unconditionally). Of course Lewis could win the pole. Only if he was faster, his car happier with track, etc etc. But so could Heiki won the pole. Or Kimi. Or Kubica. Or maybe someone else. What is the point of stating something so obvious? He didn't win the pole. Chapter over.

I'm finding it a bit looser-ish nagging about what could have happened, that's all.
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By racechick
#51303

I would like to agree with you, but simple fact is - I don't know how McLaren operates. And neither do you. Unless you have managed to spend some significant time inside the team and observe things first hand; because I haven't.


I have a friend who has.

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