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[f1ea]

he was a ROOKIE but what you twats should realise that he was that strong in his first year then give him a few more years under his belt and his technical skills will be even better!

But what if his rookie yr was a fluke... a fortunate glitch

How can you tell Lewis and Mclren will only develop and mature together for the better; because millions of followers around the globe can't be wrong? or was that a lecture at Mass this sunday?


where does the other drivers and teams' development come to play in your factual assumptions?

[Fact Man]

na mate you dont get it you retard i dont come out and talk Lewis up like a lamb follower i only come out in defence of petty and pathetic wanks like yourself who choose to turn every topic into another Lewis bash. Its time for a new record

haha every Alonso fan out there is a Lewis basher so whats your point? they go hand in hand. they should really drop the grudge, yeah you see you bring up the two titles well its abit hard to compare when Lewis hasnt even had 2 FULL seasons of F1

F twats

Do us a favor and go back to your first post where you brought up the fact that Hamilton is better than Alonso. I wasn't the one who turned this into a lewis bash. I responded to your post and my response was within the context of the article.

If you read my posts, most of them have nothing to do with Hamilton but when I see ignorant people claiming that LH is the best, I feel the need to intervene But I like your idea and I will start the bashing from now on, it's fun...

FYI: I am not an Alonso fan. I liked the guy when he beat Michael. That's it. My best driver has been gone for 14 years and no one will replace him. And I'm a McLaren fan, although I'm starting to lean more towards BMW. They seem more honest.

As much as I couldn't stand Michael's arrogance, it's the case with Hamilton.

I hope that you'll see the light one day and you stop defending an arrogant individual by the name of Lewis Hamilton

PS: I apologize for using the word retard as I was angry at you calling me a moron. But I shouldn't have sunk to your level. Sorry again

[bud]

my first post was a quote from F1live.com article we are discussing....

oooo the shouldnt have sank to your level line.... youre so much better than me mate

youre a top bloke fact man, top bloke!

[Fact Man]

Err... Hamilton beat Alonso in the same car in ‘07...

I just re-read the article that McLaren Fan posted and didn't see that quote. So please, enlighten me...

[bud]

see how i put it in a quote box....

if you read the article on the actual site it was taken from you would see a pretty picture they always have with their stories and under the pretty picture was the sentence you read and assumed i created.

have a beef about it go email F1-Live

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 1751.shtml

[f1ea]

No need for name-calling. We got brand new flashing for the job

Notice to everyone please note that all discussion and conversations I have on this forum should be taken as good sportive fun, and at the same time learn something from others' point of views and experiences. A little bash here and a spat there doesn't mean there is any sort of negative personal feelings towards anybody. Quite the contrary... most people (even those annoying Lewis lovers ) on this forum are nice and cool people, who are also here to have some nice fun.

So yeah... don't take it personal guys.

2 days to Magny Cours!

[texasmr2]

No need for name-calling. We got brand new flashing for the job

Notice to everyone please note that all discussion and conversations I have on this forum should be taken as good sportive fun, and at the same time learn something from others' point of views and experiences. A little bash here and a spat there doesn't mean there is any sort of negative personal feelings towards anybody. Quite the contrary... most people (even those annoying Lewis lovers ) on this forum are nice and cool people, who are also here to have some nice fun.

So yeah... don't take it personal guys.

2 days to Magny Cours!

I aswell have had enough of the childish and immature name calling and as you said f1ea use the damn smiley if one has to be like that, we dont need or want to hear it otherwise. It's fine and dandy to have disputes as it is expected but personal insult's have no place on this forum.

Also no need for the notice f1ea as you are just fine but I know we all appreciate it.

[racechick]

And Ive hears plenty of dumb excuses for why Alonso (a back to back world champion) couldnt beat a rookie. Even when he was given monaco and spain.

He was also given wrong tires on some occasions, much as I remember...

No one is saying Lewis is not fast as, but that is only one ingredient that makes driver good or bad. It is simple fact Lewis hasn't got other ingredients and THAT is why he is - at present - inferior to Alonso (my humble opinion). Yes, he was competing Alonso as equal but with car developed and set up by Alonso much more than by Lewis... and I would not be surprised to learn that some good Samaritan souls from Alonso's team were supplying Lewis with setup details even after Alonso decided not to do that any more... which, for example, could be a reason why Alonso offered money to his team in order to make them stop helping Lewis.

There are things about McLaren 2007 we don't know and likely never will know; but as someone mentioned before, at least Kubica is finding Alonso OK and can't remember any other driver beside Lewis criticizing him ... which driver said anything that good about Lewis... honestly?

Rosberg

[al4x]

i agree, alonso and kubica are the best atm, shame the renault isnt as good

common fernando, stick with it

[f1ea]

I aswell have had enough of the childish and immature name calling and as you said f1ea use the damn smiley if one has to be like that, we dont need or want to hear it otherwise. It's fine and dandy to have disputes as it is expected but personal insult's have no place on this forum.

Thanks Tex. Though my comments were not meant to come down on Bud and Fact Man... rather to help them be able to get their points accross without having to press words that ussually obscure the very point they were trying to make. For example: if someone says "you are a for X reason". People will often only focus on the and react to it, rather than respond to 'X reason'...

[racechick]

And Ive hears plenty of dumb excuses for why Alonso (a back to back world champion) couldnt beat a rookie. Even when he was given monaco and spain.

He was also given wrong tires on some occasions, much as I remember...

No one is saying Lewis is not fast as, but that is only one ingredient that makes driver good or bad. It is simple fact Lewis hasn't got other ingredients and THAT is why he is - at present - inferior to Alonso (my humble opinion). Yes, he was competing Alonso as equal but with car developed and set up by Alonso much more than by Lewis... and I would not be surprised to learn that some good Samaritan souls from Alonso's team were supplying Lewis with setup details even after Alonso decided not to do that any more... which, for example, could be a reason why Alonso offered money to his team in order to make them stop helping Lewis.

There are things about McLaren 2007 we don't know and likely never will know; but as someone mentioned before, at least Kubica is finding Alonso OK and can't remember any other driver beside Lewis criticizing him ... which driver said anything that good about Lewis... honestly?

Rosberg

And Suthil
Your point being??????

[deMuRe]

Err... Hamilton beat Alonso in the same car in ‘07...

Yeah, that small detail, too.

Sure, but Alonso was dealing with his inner demons (and outer ones as well ) and that could of influenced his performance a bit. Just by avoiding his stupid qualifying act in Budapest (and penalty earned) he would likely end up with more points than Lewis.

What I'm trying to say is, Lewis didn't beat him completely on the track, there was psychological warfare going on that Lewis also won (with a little help from the friends).

I would say they are pretty much even behind the wheel, but I'll give Alonso that he is better package at present - Lewis is missing ingredients that come with experience and boy, does he miss them big time once in a while.

What makes me wonder is, last year Bernie was so enthusiastic for Lewis, seeing him as very commercial material (something Kimmi is missing), and we all know when Bernie opens mouth, it's money talk. I don't think Kubica is that commercial potential, and Alonso... hard to say; one way or another, I'd expect Bernie to praise Lewis simply for being most suitable for Bernie's interests.

So... wonder what is Bernie up to. I he only being honest? Bernie? Yeah, right.

Good insight, I would agree with this as well. Is Alonso managed by Flavio? Flavio and Bernie are good friends, could be trying to earn his mate a bit of extra cash now that Alonso wants to leave Renault.

[nikon133]

Nikon you should put all your quotes into one post!


Fact man youre living up to your name full of facts arent ya now go read your Alonso bible again billy

And why should I, if you please, make your life easier..?

[nikon133]

all i have left? na i cant be bothered im just over this Hamilton bashing that you Alonso twats cant get over your god had his bottom handed to him by a virgin F1 racer

A few years back?? i still call Ferrari fans lambs you moron

No one is denying this fact

But the article was talking about who's the best. Taking the individual talent and skill of the driver without external help, Hamilton wouldn't have been in 2nd last year. Again, staying within the context of the article, Alonso was able to extract and achieve more on his own than Hamilton did in 2007.

I hope this is clear.

another quote from the Alonso bible Hamilton had help from car setup you twats are worse than the Schumacher lambs

like i said before if what you say is true then Alonso still got beaten on the track by Hamilton a rookie, sure his technical knowledge isnt as strong as Alonso as it shouldnt be, he was a ROOKIE but what you twats should realise that he was that strong in his first year then give him a few more years under his belt and his technical skills will be even better!

now what you got in the Fernando bible of excuses

Sure, he helped himself... and kept coming back for more. Good appetite that kid has

[juggles]

Bernie's a bit of a nutter though, he always comes out with these statements completely out of the blue; I have a lot of respect for the guy though, because he does speak his mind. Sometimes a bit too much though. Didn't need to say that Kubica would 'blow Hamilton away,' because that's clearly not true. He's a bit of a 'drama queen'