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[Fact Man]

Err... Hamilton beat Alonso in the same car in ‘07...

Yeah, that small detail, too.

But don't forget another small detail. Alonso helped Hamilton with the car set up for the first 2-3 races.
If Hamilton was doing things on his own from the 1st race he wouldn't have been able to score as many points as he did and, therefore, he would actually be in 3rd position in 2007.

Yes we all know the Alonso fan excuse bible, think this quote is on page 35.


lets flatter your excuse for a moment lets say Alonso Hamilton same car, same setup. who was faster.......
Evidence suggests Hamilton

Wow dude, you got me there with the Alonso fan excuse bible blah blah blah.

The problem is with fans like you who can't put their biased mind to rest for even a second.

The article was referring to who the best drivers are right now. The way I judge a good driver is by how talented and skilled he is at extracting the most from his car and situations in order to win (without the external help as from a teammate).

Now if you take that into consideration, and you look back at 2007, you say that Hamilton was faster than Alonso. Now since when is speed the only factor that decides who's the best driver

Again, if you let go of your Hamilton lamb attitude for just a moment and go back to your original post where you said that Hamilton beat Alonso. Technically speaking that's true. But does this mean that LH is the best driver? Well again I say that if it weren't for Alonso's help at the beginning of 2007, LH would have been in 3rd.

I hope I didn't confuse you too much. Anyway, I'm starting to believe that Alonso is a better character than Hamilton specially after we heard Kubica's opinion on Alonso. At the end of the day, I believe that Hamilton is a big lier and manipulator and the british media is going along for the ride and are trying to hide faults as much as possible. Alonso is who he is while Hamilton is trying to portray himself as homest and genuine while his far from that. But I don't expect a lamb like you to understand that.

Again, the article was talking about who is the best. In 2007, based on individual talent and skill without the input of a 2 time WDC, Hamilton was not the best and he was able to be in 2nd because Alonso helped him at the beginning.

Go ahead and redefine the definition of what a great driver is because that's what Hamilton's lambs do. Find dumb excuses to defend him.

[racechick]

And Ive hears plenty of dumb excuses for why Alonso (a back to back world champion) couldnt beat a rookie. Even when he was given monaco and spain.

[racechick]

I think if Alonso stayed with McLaren, he would be faster this year.

Really? So bouyed up by a back to back world championships he couldn't beat lewis as a rookie.. but as a psychologically wounded, non champion he could beat lewis

by the way this go all mixed up.
This is the bit I wrote:-
Really? So bouyed up by a back to back world championships he couldn't beat lewis as a rookie.. but as a psychologically wounded, non champion he could beat lewis :loopy
Bet you guessed that anyways

[nikon133]

PS. They not as good as Hammy

They better..?

[nikon133]

Err... Hamilton beat Alonso in the same car in ‘07...

Yeah, that small detail, too.

But don't forget another small detail. Alonso helped Hamilton with the car set up for the first 2-3 races.
If Hamilton was doing things on his own from the 1st race he wouldn't have been able to score as many points as he did and, therefore, he would actually be in 3rd position in 2007.

You got it all wrong.

Lewis was helping Alonso feel at home in McLaren by generously accepting Alonso's inferior help. If not, he would end up 1st and with such a reserve of points he wouldn't have to race last couple of races at all

[nikon133]

Err... Hamilton beat Alonso in the same car in ‘07...

Yeah, that small detail, too.

But don't forget another small detail. Alonso helped Hamilton with the car set up for the first 2-3 races.
If Hamilton was doing things on his own from the 1st race he wouldn't have been able to score as many points as he did and, therefore, he would actually be in 3rd position in 2007.

Yes we all know the Alonso fan excuse bible, think this quote is on page 35.


lets flatter your excuse for a moment lets say Alonso Hamilton same car, same setup. who was faster.......
Evidence suggests Hamilton

Budapest Files..?

[nikon133]

I think if Alonso stayed with McLaren, he would be faster this year.

Really? So bouyed up by a back to back world championships he couldn't beat lewis as a rookie.. but as a psychologically wounded, non champion he could beat lewis

I'm saying this because of Hammy's mistakes this year, Alonso would have been far ahead of Lewis right now. Thats what I think.[/quote]



Agree completely. Other thing Hamiltonites keep ignoring is, Alonso ended behind Hamilton not because of his track performance, but because he was playing Crusty the Clown in Budapest. if he was able to play down Lewis' backstabbing in Budapest qualifying and start race from 2nd position (rather than suffering penalty), he would end up season in front of Lewis - even Kimmi. And that with whole McLaren supporting Lewis.

As it was, he ended up with same points as Lewis and same number of wins as Lewis. What a dominant win by Lewis. And that with whole McLaren supporting Lewis!!!

I wonder how would Lewis do in Alonso's bended Renault...

[nikon133]

And Ive hears plenty of dumb excuses for why Alonso (a back to back world champion) couldnt beat a rookie. Even when he was given monaco and spain.

He was also given wrong tires on some occasions, much as I remember...

No one is saying Lewis is not fast as, but that is only one ingredient that makes driver good or bad. It is simple fact Lewis hasn't got other ingredients and THAT is why he is - at present - inferior to Alonso (my humble opinion). Yes, he was competing Alonso as equal but with car developed and set up by Alonso much more than by Lewis... and I would not be surprised to learn that some good Samaritan souls from Alonso's team were supplying Lewis with setup details even after Alonso decided not to do that any more... which, for example, could be a reason why Alonso offered money to his team in order to make them stop helping Lewis.

There are things about McLaren 2007 we don't know and likely never will know; but as someone mentioned before, at least Kubica is finding Alonso OK and can't remember any other driver beside Lewis criticizing him ... which driver said anything that good about Lewis... honestly?

[EwanM]

And Ive hears plenty of dumb excuses for why Alonso (a back to back world champion) couldnt beat a rookie. Even when he was given monaco and spain.

He was also given wrong tires on some occasions, much as I remember...

No one is saying Lewis is not fast as, but that is only one ingredient that makes driver good or bad. It is simple fact Lewis hasn't got other ingredients and THAT is why he is - at present - inferior to Alonso (my humble opinion). Yes, he was competing Alonso as equal but with car developed and set up by Alonso much more than by Lewis... and I would not be surprised to learn that some good Samaritan souls from Alonso's team were supplying Lewis with setup details even after Alonso decided not to do that any more... which, for example, could be a reason why Alonso offered money to his team in order to make them stop helping Lewis.

There are things about McLaren 2007 we don't know and likely never will know; but as someone mentioned before, at least Kubica is finding Alonso OK and can't remember any other driver beside Lewis criticizing him ... which driver said anything that good about Lewis... honestly?

Exactly, infact Kubica and Alonso are friends to an extent. I've never heard Alonso criticised by anyone in the last few years. Kimi holds high respect for him, Fernando also supports Piquet to pull through (that may not happen). But we've heard criticism from Hamilton left right and centre.Safety Car? Red Light?

[bud]

Nikon you should put all your quotes into one post!


Fact man youre living up to your name full of facts arent ya now go read your Alonso bible again billy

[Fact Man]

Nikon you should put all your quotes into one post!


Fact man youre living up to your name full of facts arent ya now go read your Alonso bible again billy

Indeed, when you are cornered that's you've got left

Do you recall that just a few years back you used to criticize Michael for the tinniest mistake. You used to find joy at upsetting every Ferrari fan on this forum and constantly called them lambs. Now that there's a british driver at a british team you forgot about all that and became a lamb too.

If I'm reading the Alonso bible, you are immersed in the Encyclopedia Hamiltonia

The END.

[Fact Man]

And Ive hears plenty of dumb excuses for why Alonso (a back to back world champion) couldnt beat a rookie. Even when he was given monaco and spain.

No one is denying this fact

But the article was talking about who's the best. Taking the individual talent and skill of the driver without external help, Hamilton wouldn't have been in 2nd last year. Again, staying within the context of the article, Alonso was able to extract and achieve more on his own than Hamilton did in 2007.

I hope this is clear.

[bud]

all i have left? na i cant be bothered im just over this Hamilton bashing that you Alonso twats cant get over your god had his bottom handed to him by a virgin F1 racer

A few years back?? i still call Ferrari fans lambs you moron

No one is denying this fact

But the article was talking about who's the best. Taking the individual talent and skill of the driver without external help, Hamilton wouldn't have been in 2nd last year. Again, staying within the context of the article, Alonso was able to extract and achieve more on his own than Hamilton did in 2007.

I hope this is clear.

another quote from the Alonso bible Hamilton had help from car setup you twats are worse than the Schumacher lambs

like i said before if what you say is true then Alonso still got beaten on the track by Hamilton a rookie, sure his technical knowledge isnt as strong as Alonso as it shouldnt be, he was a ROOKIE but what you twats should realise that he was that strong in his first year then give him a few more years under his belt and his technical skills will be even better!

now what you got in the Fernando bible of excuses

[Fact Man]

A few years back?? i still call Ferrari fans lambs you moron

You see, you still don't get it retard

You called and still call them lambs but you have turned into a Hamilton lamb yourself and you don't see it.

That's the sad part about you.

As far as Alonso lamb. You call anyone who criticizes Hamilton that. So what's your point. Let's say you are right and I'm an Alonso fan, at least this God has 2 WDC. Your God (Hamilton) presses the wrong button, and f*cks up a lot for a God

[bud]

na mate you dont get it you retard i dont come out and talk Lewis up like a lamb follower i only come out in defence of petty and pathetic wanks like yourself who choose to turn every topic into another Lewis bash. Its time for a new record

haha every Alonso fan out there is a Lewis basher so whats your point? they go hand in hand. they should really drop the grudge, yeah you see you bring up the two titles well its abit hard to compare when Lewis hasnt even had 2 FULL seasons of F1

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