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[KyrosV]

If there is a breakaway thera are talks about F1 having to be renamed to something like GP1. Is that the most retatded annoying thing in the world or what.

Bernie already owns the rights to GP1 ready for the possibility of a split, to go along with GP2.

[bud]

If there is a breakaway thera are talks about F1 having to be renamed to something like GP1. Is that the most retatded annoying thing in the world or what.

Bernie already owns the rights to GP1 ready for the possibility of a split, to go along with GP2.

same song, same band, different name.... who cares

[racechick]

If there is a breakaway thera are talks about F1 having to be renamed to something like GP1. Is that the most retatded annoying thing in the world or what.

Bernie already owns the rights to GP1 ready for the possibility of a split, to go along with GP2.

same song, same band, different name.... who cares

Yeah not bothered what they call it, its the same thing. Ecclestone is pushing hard for a breakaway now (concerns about Jewish money turning away). So why wont the teams buy it? Do you reckon they think max is done for anyway and they prefer a 'reformed' FIA rather than another meglamaniac in the form of Ecclestone running the show?

[McLaren Fan]

From F1 Live:

Ecclestone admits F1 breakaway possible

Despite refusing to admit responsibility for the 'breakaway' rumours, Bernie Ecclestone concedes that splitting with the FIA is a possible solution to Formula One's current troubles.

The F1 Chief Executive initially sided with his former friend and ally of 40 years, Max Mosley, when a British tabloid newspaper exposed the FIA president in a sadomasochistic romp with prostitutes.

Since then, however, 77-year-old Ecclestone has come under immense pressure from elsewhere, including Mosley's key adversaries who have used his allegedly Nazi-themed umpalumpa antics as ammunition.

Ecclestone also revealed that Jewish investors, who control much of the money flowing into Formula One, are unhappy with Mosley.

"They say the FIA shouldn't let somebody like Max represent them," the Briton said in an interview at the weekend with The Times.

Ecclestone admits that taking F1's ten teams, sponsors, promoters and TV broadcast deals to a separate series - probably to be called 'GP1' - is one possible outcome.


"At the moment what we are trying to do, to keep sponsors happy, is say we can't break away, but it could well be that that will happen," he said.

Ecclestone and the teams are currently pushing for a new Concorde Agreement with the FIA, but Mosley is refusing to agree to their terms and the previous contract has lapsed.

It is clear that Ecclestone and Mosley fundamentally disagree about F1's income.

"If Max comes back and says we should give more money to teams, I will tell him to mind his own bloody business," Ecclestone said.

He accuses Mosley of 'time-wasting' because the FIA has no commercial investments in the sport.

But Ecclestone warns: "All they've got is money that comes from Formula One. If there was no Formula One, the FIA would be in serious trouble."

[racechick]

So Max promising teams more money to keep them on board? Do you think thats it? Well if it is it wont wash with McLaren after what he swindled out of them!!

[McLaren Fan]

So Max promising teams more money to keep them on board? Do you think thats it? Well if it is it wont wash with McLaren after what he swindled out of them!!

As much as I dislike Mosley, I really have to say his political tactics have been bang on. That said, there is no place for such political/Stalinist stunts in Formula One.

[Kiwi_Chris]

If there is a breakaway there will need to be some kind of governing body setup and in no time at all the issues that are simmering underneath the 'max is a sick dirty old man' talk will pop up again. I think a breakaway isnt going to solve anything, the manufacturers and clubs would be better off to get together and present a unifed front and sort the rot out in the FIA rather than knee jerk and set up competing series/bodies.

There are millions and millions of dollars of licencing and broadcast rights to take into account as well, what would happen to the BBC deal for 2009 not to metion companys like codemasters, mattel who have bought the rights to different areas of Formula one Licencing.

A breakaway series would do the fans, drivers, and teams a disservice and i wonder if they have really thought about how many pple would be directly affected to by doing so

[Rivelution]

If there is a breakaway there will need to be some kind of governing body setup and in no time at all the issues that are simmering underneath the 'max is a sick dirty old man' talk will pop up again. I think a breakaway isnt going to solve anything, the manufacturers and clubs would be better off to get together and present a unifed front and sort the rot out in the FIA rather than knee jerk and set up competing series/bodies.

There are millions and millions of dollars of licencing and broadcast rights to take into account as well, what would happen to the BBC deal for 2009 not to metion companys like codemasters, mattel who have bought the rights to different areas of Formula one Licencing.

A breakaway series would do the fans, drivers, and teams a disservice and i wonder if they have really thought about how many pple would be directly affected to by doing so

I agree, but this scandal is a disservice to fans, drivers, and teams as well.

[darwin dali]

A reformation is probably the best way forward, but sadly the least likely to happen anytime soon. The other options - being breaking away and trying to ride out Mosley's reign of terror - will just leave F1 in a huge mess.

If all the teams and sponsors are on board, the process would be pretty painless. I'm sure the FOM and teams could easily come up with a means of government and set of rules without too much trouble. Nobody wants to see a breakaway series, but it would be a worthwhile sacrifice to rid the sport of a corrupt FIA.

Fat chance of this ever happening

[8-ball]

If there is a breakaway there will need to be some kind of governing body setup and in no time at all the issues that are simmering underneath the 'max is a sick dirty old man' talk will pop up again. I think a breakaway isnt going to solve anything, the manufacturers and clubs would be better off to get together and present a unifed front and sort the rot out in the FIA rather than knee jerk and set up competing series/bodies.

There are millions and millions of dollars of licencing and broadcast rights to take into account as well, what would happen to the BBC deal for 2009 not to metion companys like codemasters, mattel who have bought the rights to different areas of Formula one Licencing.

A breakaway series would do the fans, drivers, and teams a disservice and i wonder if they have really thought about how many pple would be directly affected to by doing so

A breakaway series with Bernie on board would be relatively easy to set up as all sponsor contracts and the like are contracted to his FOM company and not the FIA. That being said the FIA is a good organization it's just Max that is the problem. A collected effort on all the members to remove him is the first course of action to be taken before a breakaway series is developed. But there isn't much chance of that happening

[bud]

A breakaway series with Bernie on board would be relatively easy to set up as all sponsor contracts and the like are contracted to his FOM company and not the FIA. That being said the FIA is a good organization it's just Max that is the problem. A collected effort on all the members to remove him is the first course of action to be taken before a breakaway series is developed. But there isn't much chance of that happening

cmon man.... the guys in the FIA voted to keep Max, so you cant say the FIA is ok apart from Max

F1 does not need the FIA it would be 200% fine without it!

[McLaren Fan]

A breakaway series with Bernie on board would be relatively easy to set up as all sponsor contracts and the like are contracted to his FOM company and not the FIA. That being said the FIA is a good organization it's just Max that is the problem. A collected effort on all the members to remove him is the first course of action to be taken before a breakaway series is developed. But there isn't much chance of that happening

The FIA is not a good organisation. As has been shown since, well, as far back as I can remember, which is the tail end of Balestre's career, the FIA's operational structures mean corruption can flourish, and megalomaniacs can retain almost-infinite power. Moreover, one team - Ferrari - have more representatives on the WMSC than the other teams, and the voting system needs some work, too

[EwanM]

So Max promising teams more money to keep them on board? Do you think thats it? Well if it is it wont wash with McLaren after what he swindled out of them!!

As much as I dislike Mosley, I really have to say his political tactics have been bang on. That said, there is no place for such political/Stalinist stunts in Formula One.

LOL, Mosley's bad, but he ain't Stalinist... not yet anyways.

[McLaren Fan]

So Max promising teams more money to keep them on board? Do you think thats it? Well if it is it wont wash with McLaren after what he swindled out of them!!

As much as I dislike Mosley, I really have to say his political tactics have been bang on. That said, there is no place for such political/Stalinist stunts in Formula One.

LOL, Mosley's bad, but he ain't Stalinist... not yet anyways.

True. Although he's tried various political stunts and got people to keep tabs on McLaren's equality procedures last season, he hasn't killed anybody as far as we know. I better retract my comments, or he may take legal action against me.

[EwanM]

So Max promising teams more money to keep them on board? Do you think thats it? Well if it is it wont wash with McLaren after what he swindled out of them!!

As much as I dislike Mosley, I really have to say his political tactics have been bang on. That said, there is no place for such political/Stalinist stunts in Formula One.

LOL, Mosley's bad, but he ain't Stalinist... not yet anyways.

True. Although he's tried various political stunts and got people to keep tabs on McLaren's equality procedures last season, he hasn't killed anybody as far as we know. I better retract my comments, or he may take legal action against me.

lol you better, can we define the left and right wings of the FIA? He needs to side with the right, and after the left is crushed then smash the right... Mind you, the "left" may be gone soon... get it get it
haha bad attempt at a joke.

FOM and the constructors breaking away isn't a good idea for me, unless there is a Concorde Agreement of some type. Without that what happens when some of the manufacturers just leave when they please?