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[bud]

like Rosberg has said he has never had to deal with pitlane lights in his career up until now, its not in their natural racing insticts so to speak, i dont know of any other series that closes the pitlane causing cars to come to a stand still during a race. they never really had any issues in the past when people would exit the pitlane and rejoin the snake.

something surely does need to be done, possibly if a safety car is called they can freeze everyones positions allowing cars to make pitstops and rejoin in the order before the safety car was deployed. not hindering anyones race that way!

[przemo]

like Rosberg has said he has never had to deal with pitlane lights in his career up until now, its not in their natural racing insticts so to speak, i dont know of any other series that closes the pitlane causing cars to come to a stand still during a race. they never really had any issues in the past when people would exit the pitlane and rejoin the snake.

Take an example from the last race. Kimi and Kubica exit the pitlane side by side, who goes first? They go side by side to the track, the cars behind the safety car travel through the track, the second corner is right, so the left side maybe is free. Kimi can go on (side by side to the train of cars?), Robert stays and loses position. Of course that's not safe, so both should stop and both should wait for the end of the snake. But who decides where to stop? Are they allowed to race when there's a safety car deployed? There is a line at the exit of the pitlane for that reason. In my opinion it should not be even possible to have to cars side by side in a pitlane. That would maybe allow safe way to rejoin the race without the light, because there would not be a fight for position.

something surely does need to be done, possibly if a safety car is called they can freeze everyones positions allowing cars to make pitstops and rejoin in the order before the safety car was deployed. not hindering anyones race that way!

That eliminates the fight in the pitlane, like in Canada Kimi and Robert passed Lewis. Lewis took more fuel and lost a position. In the case you're describing the cars could have an unlimited pitstop time and still not lose a position.

[scousers on tour 2008]

why did we have a safety for this accident yet only a little later in the race a car goes off in the exact same place and the race goes on no safety car

[f1usa]

like Rosberg has said he has never had to deal with pitlane lights in his career up until now, its not in their natural racing insticts so to speak, i dont know of any other series that closes the pitlane causing cars to come to a stand still during a race. they never really had any issues in the past when people would exit the pitlane and rejoin the snake.

something surely does need to be done, possibly if a safety car is called they can freeze everyones positions allowing cars to make pitstops and rejoin in the order before the safety car was deployed. not hindering anyones race that way!

Bud, that was the same thing I was thinking. A red light at pit exit has no place in F1 racing. Cars are leaving their pits to retain position, and the red light creates a brake check situation, helping cause the LH accident.

[dant]

why did we have a safety for this accident yet only a little later in the race a car goes off in the exact same place and the race goes on no safety car

I agree, and if anything the second incident left the car in a more dangerous place than the first one, but yet no safety car, even after hearing Rosberg on the radio confirming it was a dangerous situation.

[scousers on tour 2008]

also once the reds lights were on was kimi allowed to pull over to the other side if kubica?
or did he not see the lights to last minute and have to pull out of the way of him ?
if he had stayed behind kubica the hamilton would have missed him (although still getting a penalty for going thru red lights) they would have both still been in the race.... hamilton is not alone to blame here.

[8-ball]

basically the problem with the rules is that some gain an advantage from pitting just before the safety car comes out and takes positions not by overtaking but through being lucky. Simple solution is to allow pit stops but then allow drivers to regain the position they were in before the safety car came out. Once that is done safety car goes in and we have a restart. Easy

@ scousers; It doesn't matter what position kimi or kubica was in the bottom line is they got out of the pits first and were waiting at the red light and hamilton crashed because 1) his pit stop was longer and 2) he wasn't paying attention to the red light. It is his fault 100%

[Kiwi_Chris]

also once the reds lights were on was kimi allowed to pull over to the other side if kubica?
or did he not see the lights to last minute and have to pull out of the way of him ?
if he had stayed behind kubica the hamilton would have missed him (although still getting a penalty for going thru red lights) they would have both still been in the race.... hamilton is not alone to blame here.

Kimi is well entitled to pull up next to kubica, the fault was hamiltons there is no excuse for not seeing a parked car infront of you.
If a driver like Nakajima or Vettel had done this there would be hell to pay and noone would be looking for excuses for them.

[darwin dali]

The repositioning of everybody in the right spot after such a pit stop could be a daunting task and take a while, maybe could even be cause for incidents itself due to miscommunication as to who is to peel off, etc. It would be like a tightly choreographed dance - who's to be the director?

It would also be unfair if a pit crew stuffs up or a driver stalls in the pit and their stop takes forever, let's say 45 seconds. They would still be allowed to take their place in the snake? Not if you ask me!

[bud]

The repositioning of everybody in the right spot after such a pit stop could be a daunting task and take a while, maybe could even be cause for incidents itself due to miscommunication as to who is to peel off, etc. It would be like a tightly choreographed dance - who's to be the director?

It would also be unfair if a pit crew stuffs up or a driver stalls in the pit and their stop takes forever, let's say 45 seconds. They would still be allowed to take their place in the snake? Not if you ask me!

they do it now with driver being allowed to unlap themselves! the race director orchestrates it. and with the ecu they could easily introduce a small led telling what position they are in during a sc

and pit stops would be nullified there would be no need to rush it as the race has been called off and restarted so to speak! in theory you could get away with filling to the end say 20 laps into an average GP without losing track position but at the peril of your own laptimes!

[McLaren Fan]

The repositioning of everybody in the right spot after such a pit stop could be a daunting task and take a while, maybe could even be cause for incidents itself due to miscommunication as to who is to peel off, etc. It would be like a tightly choreographed dance - who's to be the director?

It would also be unfair if a pit crew stuffs up or a driver stalls in the pit and their stop takes forever, let's say 45 seconds. They would still be allowed to take their place in the snake? Not if you ask me!

Well, you could make a law about how long a pit stop should be. I think that there is a danger of creating too many rules on this issue and therefore complicating the matter a hell of a lot more. There's no perfect solution, so a compromise is going to have to be found between some of the suggestions made on here.

[darwin dali]

The repositioning of everybody in the right spot after such a pit stop could be a daunting task and take a while, maybe could even be cause for incidents itself due to miscommunication as to who is to peel off, etc. It would be like a tightly choreographed dance - who's to be the director?

It would also be unfair if a pit crew stuffs up or a driver stalls in the pit and their stop takes forever, let's say 45 seconds. They would still be allowed to take their place in the snake? Not if you ask me!

they do it now with driver being allowed to unlap themselves! the race director orchestrates it. and with the ecu they could easily introduce a small led telling what position they are in during a sc

and pit stops would be nullified there would be no need to rush it as the race has been called off and restarted so to speak! in theory you could get away with filling to the end say 20 laps into an average GP without losing track position but at the peril of your own laptimes!

That's one or two drivers to unlap and it's just getting them out of the pack in front of the SC - that task doesn't compare to the dance that would ensue with 5, 10, 15 cars having to find their proper place in the snake.

[bud]

The repositioning of everybody in the right spot after such a pit stop could be a daunting task and take a while, maybe could even be cause for incidents itself due to miscommunication as to who is to peel off, etc. It would be like a tightly choreographed dance - who's to be the director?

It would also be unfair if a pit crew stuffs up or a driver stalls in the pit and their stop takes forever, let's say 45 seconds. They would still be allowed to take their place in the snake? Not if you ask me!

they do it now with driver being allowed to unlap themselves! the race director orchestrates it. and with the ecu they could easily introduce a small led telling what position they are in during a sc

and pit stops would be nullified there would be no need to rush it as the race has been called off and restarted so to speak! in theory you could get away with filling to the end say 20 laps into an average GP without losing track position but at the peril of your own laptimes!

That's one or two drivers to unlap and it's just getting them out of the pack in front of the SC - that task doesn't compare to the dance that would ensue with 5, 10, 15 cars having to find their proper place in the snake.

In Monaco they were unlapping 5 or so cars at once ofcourse they didnt all go at the same time, whiting gave the ok for each car. 5 cars a lap, that would be 4 laps behind the safety car that is not un heard of even now!

[Denthúl]

also once the reds lights were on was kimi allowed to pull over to the other side if kubica?
or did he not see the lights to last minute and have to pull out of the way of him ?
if he had stayed behind kubica the hamilton would have missed him (although still getting a penalty for going thru red lights) they would have both still been in the race.... hamilton is not alone to blame here.

No. Rosberg shares blame. But Kimi and Robert were both within the pit lane, and they are entitled to use the entire width of the pit lane (not, that doesn't include the area where the mechanics are) so there is nothing wrong with that. Either way, Lewis would have finished this race with no points because if Kimi hadn't been there, chances are he'd have rolled through a red light.

[darwin dali]

also once the reds lights were on was kimi allowed to pull over to the other side if kubica?
or did he not see the lights to last minute and have to pull out of the way of him ?
if he had stayed behind kubica the hamilton would have missed him (although still getting a penalty for going thru red lights) they would have both still been in the race.... hamilton is not alone to blame here.

No. Rosberg shares blame. But Kimi and Robert were both within the pit lane, and they are entitled to use the entire width of the pit lane (not, that doesn't include the area where the mechanics are) so there is nothing wrong with that. Either way, Lewis would have finished this race with no points because if Kimi hadn't been there, chances are he'd have rolled through a red light.

...which we all know means a black flag.