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[f1ea]

- Alonso´s capability to develop the car is far ahead of kubica´s.
- Alonso´s race pace and concentration is far ahead too.

Based on what do you say this?

[McLaren Fan]

As you said is reallly difficult to make a comparison whne they´re racing in different cars but i bases my opinion in 2 different facts:

- Alonso´s capability to develop the car is far ahead of kubica´s.
- Alonso´s race pace and concentration is far ahead too.

Alonso is good, but how do you know all this?

[bud]

Then why do you not support this policies in Mclaren?


Although I don't see Alonso moving to BMW-Sauber, I think an Alonso + Kubica teamship would not be as destructive as the one with Lewis... why?

1) Because Kubica's is not Sauber Mcdaddy's protege and/or personal project.

2) Kubica is already an experienced and somewhat accomplished driver, and they would probably both work together with the team to develop and set up their cars... apparently Alonso saw Lewis as a bloodsucker who, when got the chance, turned against him. (Not necesarilly 100% the truth but at least that is how he says he saw it). But above all, Kubica is a much more quiet and reserved driver, who I dont see using whatever position he may have within his team, to damage his teammate.

3) Alonso already has the experience and I'd like to think he would behave differently should the same situation occur...

So when Kubica hands Alonso his bottom on a plate he wont whinge and use the im a world champ i should be given priority wah wah wah ???

As you said is reallly difficult to make a comparison whne they´re racing in different cars but i bases my opinion in 2 different facts:

- Alonso´s capability to develop the car is far ahead of kubica´s.
- Alonso´s race pace and concentration is far ahead too.

Alonso is good, but how do you know all this?

He is Spanish thats how he knows

[McLaren Fan]

As was also seen at McLaren last year, unless your car is easily the fastest on all circuits, having two drivers competing in the one team allows another driver from another team to sneak up from behind and steal the title. The best thing for BMW to do would be to build the team around Kubica and employ a solid driver to partner him who is capable of getting podiums and developing the car.

Then why do you not support this policies in Mclaren?

As I said, there are advantages and disadvantages to having two top drivers in your team. McLaren is a different team from BMW, so the teams will be run in different fashions.

[f1ea]

So when Kubica hands Alonso his bottom on a plate he wont whinge and use the im a world champ i should be given priority wah wah wah ???

4) Alonso will not be 2 time defending Champion, so he won't be able to whinge and use the im a world champ i should be given priority wah wah wah
IF Kubica hands his bottom on a plate.

Happy?

[POLLATROLL]

please, don´t make fun of me because i´m spanish ,-)

- Why Alonso is the best developing the car? You only have to read mclaren´s engineers opinion whne they said: we´ve learnt more in one day with alonso than in four years with raikkonnen. You also can read that renault is manufacturing some pieces ? due to alonso´s indications. Have you heard something similar about Kubica, raikko or ¿Ham??

Mclaren hasnt been so goód in the las seven years until alonso arrived. See keké rosberg´s last remarks aobut alonso and mclaren. Everybody says that Mclaren has lost a lot since Alonso is not there.

- He has the best pace and concentration: You only have to take all laps in a race from every driver. Alonso´s laps are always in three of four tenths (dpending on the fuel comsume). It´s like a clock. Can you tell the same about Ham, Raiko, Massa or Kubica?

Please Do you understan me enough? I don´t know how good my english are.

[bud]

please, don´t make fun of me because i´m spanish ,-)

I wasnt, only going on the fact that because you are Spanish it seems to be a theme that all Spaniards share your same view about Alonso, its not bad, its the same as alot of English think Hamiltons s*** dont stink either! national pride overpowers and overstates ones view on their skill Webber is the greatest driver ever!!!!!

Mclaren hasnt been so goód in the las seven years until alonso arrived.

2005 McLaren won ten races.... not so good? maybe you werent aware and only followed F1 in 2006 after Alonso took his first title in 05

and as for the dissin of Kimi why is it that Ferrari can get good pace if he is so crap at developing a car?

[f1ea]

Exactly, what you can say is that Alonso is very good at developping the car, and that he is a very consistent driver.
But there is no reasonable way of comparing him to or saying he's miles ahead from Kubica just yet.

By the way... your english is good enough

[f1ea]

Webber is the greatest driver ever!!!!!

Finally!! you're out of the closet

[Kiwi_Chris]

please, don´t make fun of me because i´m spanish ,-)

- Why Alonso is the best developing the car? You only have to read mclaren´s engineers opinion whne they said: we´ve learnt more in one day with alonso than in four years with raikkonnen.

I think that says more about Raikonnen than Alonso, i mean Ferrari still have M Shumacher to call on for testing and lets face it no one can deny that man is as close to a car developing god as you can get. As well as Luca Badoer who has probably set a record for most miles driven in a Formula one car

[McLaren Fan]

Why Alonso is the best developing the car? You only have to read mclaren´s engineers opinion whne they said: we´ve learnt more in one day with alonso than in four years with raikkonnen. You also can read that renault is manufacturing some pieces ? due to alonso´s indications. Have you heard something similar about Kubica, raikko or ¿Ham??/quote]
That could just show how poor a driver Raikkonen was rather than how good Alonso is.

Mclaren hasnt been so goód in the las seven years until alonso arrived. See keké rosberg´s last remarks aobut alonso and mclaren. Everybody says that Mclaren has lost a lot since Alonso is not there.

Maybe you don't know that McLaren have had a lot going on since 2000. First, there was Adrian Newey's laziness, Mercedes' engines were not up to standard, the team were switching from the old factory to the new Technology Centre, and in 2006 the rules were suddenly changed, which caught McLaren out. So, from 2005, McLaren and Mercedes have, generally speaking, progressed.

He has the best pace and concentration: You only have to take all laps in a race from every driver. Alonso´s laps are always in three of four tenths (dpending on the fuel comsume)

I don't agree on that point as well. One of Alonso's weaknesses is his lack of mental strength. When things are going tough he throws his dummy out of the pram and puts in some shabby performances. Take last season, when, for example, he got too excited at the Spanish and Canadian Grands Prix and botched his chances of winning them.

[al4x]

i dont think ive seen a Spaniard who doesnt like fa, on this board, but there are english who dont like lh

unfortunatly alot of spanish f1 fans are a little ott on the board, hopefully you wont be

[POLLATROLL]

2005 McLaren won ten races.... not so good? maybe you werent aware and only followed F1 in 2006 after Alonso took his first title in 05

and as for the dissin of Kimi why is it that Ferrari can get good pace if he is so crap at developing a car?[/quote]

Don´t be bad. I´ve been watching F1 for many years.
When was Mclaren last won a championship? I´ll tell you, in 1999. So, what´s the point of winning 10 races if you doesn´t ended up wininn the championship?

Maybe you don't know that McLaren have had a lot going on since 2000. First, there was Adrian Newey's laziness, Mercedes' engines were not up to standard, the team were switching from the old factory to the new Technology Centre, and in 2006 the rules were suddenly changed, which caught McLaren out. So, from 2005, McLaren and Mercedes have, generally speaking, progressed./quote]

You´re right but, How far is it form Mclaren and Ferrari nowadasys? And last year? think last year was the oposite. Mclares was far ahead from ferrari.

I don't agree on that point as well. One of Alonso's weaknesses is his lack of mental strength. When things are going tough he throws his dummy out of the pram and puts in some shabby performances. Take last season, when, for example, he got too excited at the Spanish and Canadian Grands Prix and botched his chances of winning them.

Two mistakes. Do you want us to talk about Raikkonen, Massa or (better) Hamilton mistakes? Do i have to remind you how well Hamilton drives whe he is in the middle of de group? The stupid errors of Raikkonnen or Massa.
For example, Hamilton doesn´t how to drive if he doesn´t start form the pole.

In any case, i have to recognise tha Ham and Kimi are great drivers (and Massa has improved a lot). Will see in the near future. It could be great Ham in McLares,Kimmi in Ferrari, Kubica in BMW and Alonso in a reborn Reanult

[austin62]

Dr Mario T said few weeks ago like they will take time to develop car ,but my question is for whom ? I would say you need a driver to develop car too so what the heck get the good driver and work with it,Alonso is good but needs car ,BMW has a car but needs driver ,and Kubica needs partner to fight Mclaren or Ferrari .

[Rivelution]

i dont think ive seen a Spaniard who doesnt like fa, on this board, but there are english who dont like lh

unfortunatly alot of spanish f1 fans are a little ott on the board, hopefully you wont be

If you come from a Spanish speaking country, most F1 fans are Alonso fans. My dad is Mexican-American and he he loves FA, and roots for him but he doesnt really watch F1. I even fall under that spell sometimes, even though I'm a 4th generation Mexican-American. I catch myself rooting for German drivers too sometimes in different series because my mom comes from German descent, and also because of the lack of Americans. My favorite driver is Barrichello in F1 though.