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[Mikep99]

Yeh and hammy has only been around for 2 minutes, been nurtured & suckled by Ron from an early age. And has really not accomplished anything but some see fit to compare him to Senna and the like

For a minute there I thought you were talking about me!

No I was calling Hammy, hammy way before you came along.

[texasmr2]

Lewis also has ALONG way to go before he is considered legendary.

[Mikep99]

Lewis also has ALONG way to go before he is considered legendary.

Lewis WHO

[texasmr2]

Lewis also has ALONG way to go before he is considered legendary.

Lewis WHO

I'm sure you caught that my reference was to a certain siggy right?

[Mikep99]

Lewis also has ALONG way to go before he is considered legendary.

Lewis WHO

I'm sure you caught that my reference was to a certain siggy right?

[Big Azza]

I'm going to make a better siggy, I promise!

[bud]

while we are on the subject of Senna thought id post a drawing i just did of Senna in a cross hatch exercise for college.

[texasmr2]

I'm going to make a better siggy, I promise!

Your siggy is just fine dont change anything . I like Lewis alot also as I think he IS the best thing to happen to F1 in many year's.

Great pic bud thank you for sharing and it's going into my archive's if you dont mind?

[darwin dali]

Lewis also has ALONG way to go before he is considered legendary.

Lewis WHO

Carl Lewis, Jerry Lewis, Lennox Lewis, Juliette Lewis

[texasmr2]

Lewis also has ALONG way to go before he is considered legendary.

Lewis WHO

Carl Lewis, Jerry Lewis, Lennox Lewis, Juliette Lewis

I just wet myself !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mikep99]

while we are on the subject of Senna thought id post a drawing i just did of Senna in a cross hatch exercise for college.

Good work budavinci

[Mikep99]

Lewis also has ALONG way to go before he is considered legendary.

Lewis WHO

Carl Lewis, Jerry Lewis, Lennox Lewis, Juliette Lewis

I thought I recognised him

[Rivelution]

while we are on the subject of Senna thought id post a drawing i just did of Senna in a cross hatch exercise for college.

Thats very good. I cant draw a person to save my life.

[Big Azza]

Thanks to my fellow Aussie Hamilton Suporter, my sig has been fixed.

I am now comparing the debut seasons of each of the big 4: Prost, Senna, Shumacher and Hamilton. Hamilton is far better, followed by Prost, then Senna and Schumacher.

But:

Lewis Hamilton qualified 4th and Finished 3rd (The 14th rookie to finish on a podium in their debut race. Can someone please find this list for me?)
Alain Prost qualified 12th and finished 6th
Shumacher qualified 7th and Finished with a big DNF on the first lap. Interestingly, he only participated in that race because a Jordan Driver was in gaol. That was Schumacher's only race for Jordan, at the Belgium Grand Prix. In the next round, he moved to Benetton, which is where the stats get interesting. He once again qualified 7th, but finished 5th, which puts him ahead of Alain Prost. So what would have become of Schumacher had he not had the Clutch Failure at the Eau Rogue corner on the First Lap of his career. He may have beat Alain Prost.

Now for Senna, who had 16th place qualification, but also had a a big DNF in his first race. He was forced to retire on his 8th lap. But his second race reveals a different story. He qualified in 16th position, and finished in 5th. So these are where the four stand on their first completed races of their careers:

1st: Hamilton
2nd:Schumacher
3rd:Senna
4th:Prost

Now is the be-all-and-end-all, by comparing their first seasons:

Lewis Hamilton: 109 points after 17 races (6.4 points per race)
Michael Schumacher: 4 points after 6 races (0.7 points per race)
Ayrton Senna: 13 points after 15 races (0.9 points per race)
Alain Prost: 5 points after 13 races (0.4 points per race)

So as it stands, 1)Hamilton 2)Senna 3)Schumacher 4)Prost.

A lot of people will argue that Hamilton is in a better car. Fair point. But is his car so much better that he is 7 times better than Senna? There is only one more test that we can do. But we would have to exclude Hamilton. If we ccompare their maturity stats, I mean if we compare how much they developed over 5 years then we could come to a more accurate result. But Hamilton is a third of the way through his second season. But I don't have time.

I also want to compare the average distance of time between podium finishes, pole positions and DNF's. Hamilton will dominate in this regard. But it will be interesting to see the results of the other three, in whcih Senna was better.

My studies prove that Senna was better at getting results in a crap car, a title that Hamilton will never get, and hence he will never be able to prove himself in this regard. Does anybody have any other drivers that they would like me to include in my study?

[McLaren Fan]

I think your study is flawed. It's not at all feasible to argue that because Hamilton got seven times the amount of points that Senna did per race in a car that was not seven times superior to Senna's car that Hamilton is the better driver. Things just don't work like that. If you have one of the top cars in Formula One, you will be almost always be scoring the top points. Further, say in a Grand Prix you finished 10th in a poor car. You're getting no points, but you still finished the car ten places higher than where it should have been. Also, you contradict yourself somewhat be actually saying that Senna was better at getting good results in a poor car, because surely that requires more ability, and, indeed, if you could get great results in a poor car, you would then be able to get even better results in a superior car.