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#44255
Can it be true ? Another story that questions the Myth :shock:
What do you think

Andretti: F1 team tried to ‘sabotage’ dad’s career
http://sports.yahoo.com/irl/news?slug=ap-irl-indy500-andretti-f1sabotage&prov=ap&type=lgns
INDIANAPOLIS (AP)—Although Marco Andretti would jump at the chance to race in Formula One if the right team came calling, his eyes are wide open to the sport’s dark side of politics and backstabbing.

And the third-generation member of one of racing’s most famous families doesn’t have to look far to find an example of F1’s ruthless nature: His father, Michael, drove in the elite international series in 1993 and came away looking like a failure.

But Marco said the team his father drove for, McLaren, went out of its way to make sure he didn’t get a fair shake.

“If you ask me, it was sabotage,” Andretti told The Associated Press on Wednesday, as he prepared for Sunday’s Indianapolis 500. “It was.”

According to conventional racing wisdom, Michael Andretti didn’t succeed in his lone F1 season because he wasn’t committed enough, wasn’t properly prepared or simply didn’t measure up.

But Marco said people don’t know “the real story” behind his father’s poor performance that year, insisting the team tried to make his dad look bad so they could get rid of him and make room for a promising young driver—Mika Hakkinen, who would go on to win two world championships.

“They wanted him to fail,” Andretti said. “I don’t know, it was a very bad deal. The reality of it was, they had Mika Hakkinen ready to come in for a lot less than what my dad was getting paid, and that’s all it was. Right then and there, they had to make him look (bad).”

Andretti said McLaren’s efforts to sabotage his father’s career went beyond simply giving better cars and engines to his teammate, Ayrton Senna—something that might be expected, given Senna’s status as a three-time world champion. Andretti insists the team intentionally made his father’s cars more difficult to drive.

“They would make the car do weird things in the corner electronically, stuff out of his control,” Marco Andretti said.

The situation only improved, Andretti said, when Senna stepped in.

“And I think my dad’s biggest supporter over there was Ayrton Senna,” Andretti said. “Because he was one of the few who knew what was really happening in the team, and I think he believed in my father. It was Monza that he really said, ‘Give him my car. Give him exactly what I had.”’

Michael Andretti finished third in the 1993 Italian Grand Prix at Monza, his only top-three finish of the season. It didn’t matter, as Andretti was replaced by Hakkinen in the final three races of the season and returned to race in the U.S.

A McLaren team official did not immediately answer a request for a response to Andretti’s comments. Senna died in a crash at the San Marino Grand Prix in 1994.

Michael Andretti didn’t want to go into detail about the ‘93 season, but didn’t deny his son’s version of the story.

“I’m not going to go into all of it,” Michael Andretti said. “Let’s just say it was not a pleasant experience. It was a time where I think I was sort of caught in a political battle of auto racing, and because of that wasn’t a very good experience.”

But Michael said he understood why Marco would speak out, saying he probably would do the same thing if something similar happened to his father, racing legend Mario Andretti.

“If my dad went through that, I would obviously probably approach it a different way and tell that story,” Michael Andretti said. “But it sounds like sour grapes coming from me.”

So given all that baggage, why would Marco Andretti want to try F1?

“Because I want to tackle it, you know what I mean?,” he said.

Marco Andretti tested a Honda F1 car in 2006, but he isn’t willing to make the jump unless it is with a team that can win. He believes the F1 establishment wants him to fail, too.

“I don’t have any other mentality other than to go over there and win,” Andretti said. “Because I think it’s a bigger story if I go over there and fail, really. It really is. Because that’s what people are waiting for, to be honest, over there.”

Andretti, 21, enjoys IndyCar racing and says he could foresee spending the rest of his career in the series. But he concedes that IndyCar, which races mostly on oval tracks, isn’t the best place to attract attention from F1 teams that race on road courses.

“The reason it’s tough right now is, if I go win Kentucky, Ferrari’s not going to come say, ‘Hey, we want you,”’ he said. “But maybe (winning) a series championship and the Indy 500, that could help.”

Michael believes his son has the potential to race in F1, but also thinks he might find happiness by staying in IndyCar.

“He’s one of the bright young stars here in America, and open-wheel racing I think now is about ready to rocket (in popularity),” Michael Andretti said. “I think there’s something to that, for him to look at that, to think, ‘Maybe I can help take IndyCar racing to the top.’ I’m sure that’s in the top of his mind.”
#44257
Michael Andretti doesn't want to go into the details of the 1993 season because there is nothing to get into. Yes, Senna got the better engines - when they eventually came along! - but what the hell else would you expect McLaren to do? Give their one and only superior engine to somebody who can't cut it, or the greatest driver the sport has ever seen? It's a no brainer. Marco's suggestion that McLaren wanted Hakkinen in the second racing seat being financially motivated is also gibberish. McLaren may not have been the fastest team in the mid-1990s, but they had plenty of spare cash, to say the very least. Why, also, would McLaren sacrifice themselves to get rid of one driver? Under the Concorde Agreement, your points and position counts towards your prize money, so it would be cheaper for McLaren to pay off Andretti and get somebody else in. McLaren, like everybody else, are there to win. You don't spend millions of pounds on kit and personnel to piss about. Also, the team felt they had a decent car for 1993, so were looking to make a step forward after a derisory 1992. Senna's comments only reflect the fact that Michael had inferior engines to Senna, not that McLaren were involved in some kind of sabotage campaign against him. An inferior engine does not affect the handling of the car - a car which had a very good chassis, it has to be said. Given that Michael spent more time off the track than on it, it just indicates how poor he really was: an absolute waste of space. Marco Andretti is making these libelous comments just to grab headlines for himself.
#44260
Michael Andretti doesn't want to go into the details of the 1993 season because there is nothing to get into. Yes, Senna got the better engines - when they eventually came along! - but what the hell else would you expect McLaren to do? Give their one and only superior engine to somebody who can't cut it, or the greatest driver the sport has ever seen? It's a no brainer. Marco's suggestion that McLaren wanted Hakkinen in the second racing seat being financially motivated is also gibberish. McLaren may not have been the fastest team in the mid-1990s, but they had plenty of spare cash, to say the very least. Why, also, would McLaren sacrifice themselves to get rid of one driver? Under the Concorde Agreement, your points and position counts towards your prize money, so it would be cheaper for McLaren to pay off Andretti and get somebody else in. McLaren, like everybody else, are there to win. You don't spend millions of pounds on kit and personnel to piss about. Also, the team felt they had a decent car for 1993, so were looking to make a step forward after a derisory 1992. Senna's comments only reflect the fact that Michael had inferior engines to Senna, not that McLaren were involved in some kind of sabotage campaign against him. An inferior engine does not affect the handling of the car - a car which had a very good chassis, it has to be said. Given that Michael spent more time off the track than on it, it just indicates how poor he really was: an absolute waste of space. Marco Andretti is making these libelous comments just to grab headlines for himself.


Yes your probably right but why is the answer to any criticism ALWAYS so clear cut & above board, honourable & just when it involves McLaren but when it is something to do with that other team it is FACT & could be nothing but.

Just something to think about :wink:
#44261
Michael Andretti doesn't want to go into the details of the 1993 season because there is nothing to get into. Yes, Senna got the better engines - when they eventually came along! - but what the hell else would you expect McLaren to do? Give their one and only superior engine to somebody who can't cut it, or the greatest driver the sport has ever seen? It's a no brainer. Marco's suggestion that McLaren wanted Hakkinen in the second racing seat being financially motivated is also gibberish. McLaren may not have been the fastest team in the mid-1990s, but they had plenty of spare cash, to say the very least. Why, also, would McLaren sacrifice themselves to get rid of one driver? Under the Concorde Agreement, your points and position counts towards your prize money, so it would be cheaper for McLaren to pay off Andretti and get somebody else in. McLaren, like everybody else, are there to win. You don't spend millions of pounds on kit and personnel to piss about. Also, the team felt they had a decent car for 1993, so were looking to make a step forward after a derisory 1992. Senna's comments only reflect the fact that Michael had inferior engines to Senna, not that McLaren were involved in some kind of sabotage campaign against him. An inferior engine does not affect the handling of the car - a car which had a very good chassis, it has to be said. Given that Michael spent more time off the track than on it, it just indicates how poor he really was: an absolute waste of space. Marco Andretti is making these libelous comments just to grab headlines for himself.


Yes your probably right but why is the answer to any criticism ALWAYS so clear cut & above board, honourable & just when it involves McLaren but when it is something to do with that other team it is FACT & could be nothing but.

Just something to think about :wink:

And what other teams would these be?
#44262
If I had to guess, I'd say Marco is drastically overstating things, but they were of course trying to get Senna the title, not for Senna but for them. Of course they had a #1 and #2 driver! The Hakinnen thing seems pretty far fetched. If they wanted Hakinnen that early on they would not have hired Andretti at all. I also find it difficult to believe the team would deliberately put incorrect settings to the car. They really would have no reason to make Andretti look bad.
#44267
Michael Andretti doesn't want to go into the details of the 1993 season because there is nothing to get into. Yes, Senna got the better engines - when they eventually came along! - but what the hell else would you expect McLaren to do? Give their one and only superior engine to somebody who can't cut it, or the greatest driver the sport has ever seen? It's a no brainer. Marco's suggestion that McLaren wanted Hakkinen in the second racing seat being financially motivated is also gibberish. McLaren may not have been the fastest team in the mid-1990s, but they had plenty of spare cash, to say the very least. Why, also, would McLaren sacrifice themselves to get rid of one driver? Under the Concorde Agreement, your points and position counts towards your prize money, so it would be cheaper for McLaren to pay off Andretti and get somebody else in. McLaren, like everybody else, are there to win. You don't spend millions of pounds on kit and personnel to piss about. Also, the team felt they had a decent car for 1993, so were looking to make a step forward after a derisory 1992. Senna's comments only reflect the fact that Michael had inferior engines to Senna, not that McLaren were involved in some kind of sabotage campaign against him. An inferior engine does not affect the handling of the car - a car which had a very good chassis, it has to be said. Given that Michael spent more time off the track than on it, it just indicates how poor he really was: an absolute waste of space. Marco Andretti is making these libelous comments just to grab headlines for himself.


Yes your probably right but why is the answer to any criticism ALWAYS so clear cut & above board, honourable & just when it involves McLaren but when it is something to do with that other team it is FACT & could be nothing but.

Just something to think about :wink:

And what other teams would these be?


Let me think about that Its starts with F & ends with I :wink:
#44268
Michael Andretti doesn't want to go into the details of the 1993 season because there is nothing to get into. Yes, Senna got the better engines - when they eventually came along! - but what the hell else would you expect McLaren to do? Give their one and only superior engine to somebody who can't cut it, or the greatest driver the sport has ever seen? It's a no brainer. Marco's suggestion that McLaren wanted Hakkinen in the second racing seat being financially motivated is also gibberish. McLaren may not have been the fastest team in the mid-1990s, but they had plenty of spare cash, to say the very least. Why, also, would McLaren sacrifice themselves to get rid of one driver? Under the Concorde Agreement, your points and position counts towards your prize money, so it would be cheaper for McLaren to pay off Andretti and get somebody else in. McLaren, like everybody else, are there to win. You don't spend millions of pounds on kit and personnel to piss about. Also, the team felt they had a decent car for 1993, so were looking to make a step forward after a derisory 1992. Senna's comments only reflect the fact that Michael had inferior engines to Senna, not that McLaren were involved in some kind of sabotage campaign against him. An inferior engine does not affect the handling of the car - a car which had a very good chassis, it has to be said. Given that Michael spent more time off the track than on it, it just indicates how poor he really was: an absolute waste of space. Marco Andretti is making these libelous comments just to grab headlines for himself.


Yes your probably right but why is the answer to any criticism ALWAYS so clear cut & above board, honourable & just when it involves McLaren but when it is something to do with that other team it is FACT & could be nothing but.

Just something to think about :wink:

And what other teams would these be?


Let me think about that Its starts with F & ends with I :wink:

That would be for several reasons, including because they have been in the headlines more than any other team recently, and also because they have close links with the FIA. From my own point of view, as I've told you before, mistakes were made at McLaren last season, I've criticised Toyota and Renault both for their involvement in spying, and I've criticised customer cars. As I alluded to, if Ferrari want to push the rules to breaking point and dabble in using politics to achieve their ends, then they and their disciples should be prepared to accept the suspicions that can only rise from such processes.
#44269
That would be for several reasons, including because they have been in the headlines more than any other team recently, and also because they have close links with the FIA. From my own point of view, as I've told you before, mistakes were made at McLaren last season, I've criticised Toyota and Renault both for their involvement in spying, and I've criticised customer cars. As I alluded to, if Ferrari want to push the rules to breaking point and dabble in using politics to achieve their ends, then they and their disciples should be prepared to accept the suspicions that can only rise from such processes.


Yes and the McLaren disciples should also relise that the MYTH is that a MYTH :wink:

Like you said mate
"McLaren, like everybody else, are there to win. You don't spend millions of pounds on kit and personnel to piss about."

Business men are not renowned for there morals. Sp please wake up and smell the roses, they smell like crap.

And just to refresh your memory

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#44270
Why, also, would McLaren sacrifice themselves to get rid of one driver?


Thats what my first thought was. I think Marco is just looking for reasons other than the fact that his dad wasnt good enough.



i agree Riv and i agree with Madbrad and i agree that MikeP has a McLaren Grudge with his continuous anti McLaren threads :wink:
#44273
Why, also, would McLaren sacrifice themselves to get rid of one driver?


Thats what my first thought was. I think Marco is just looking for reasons other than the fact that his dad wasnt good enough.



i agree Riv and i agree with Madbrad and i agree that MikeP has a McLaren Grudge with his continuous anti McLaren threads :wink:


:D I see that kettles back out mate. :wink:
I don't go purposely searching for this stuff wether you beleive it or not, it just slaps me in the face. I post it here because I don’t want to deprive all my fellow formites with the knowledge.

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I just sit back and see what the comments are. Invariably the lambs come out to play. :mrgreen:

Mate usually loosers are the ones with grudges :wink: and like I have said before I don't dislike McLaren as a team, its just some of the supporters that get my goat.
#44274
yeah its nice that you can pick and choose what to post hey dude? what ever suits your own view is worthy of a post, in saying that it is very apparent that you do have a McLaren grudge! or you would post all the positive stuff about McLaren..... :roll:

lambs? far as i can tell Rivelution and Madbrad are not McLaren supporters go figure mikes theories come crashing down again :wink:

and dont forget tifosi translated in English means Lamb boy :wink:
#44275
yeah its nice that you can pick and choose what to post hey dude? what ever suits your own view is worthy of a post, in saying that it is very apparent that you do have a McLaren grudge! or you would post all the positive stuff about McLaren..... :roll:


My post are on many different subjects mate just open those eyes and you will see. :shock: It may appear there is a McLaren fetish here because they are probably the only posts you see fit to comment on.

lambs? far as i can tell Rivelution and Madbrad are not McLaren supporters go figure mikes theories come crashing down again :wink:


Just a general comment mate was not refering to them at all. Anyway I would not insult them in that way :wink:

and dont forget tifosi translated in English means Lamb boy :wink:


Bah Bah :mrgreen:
#44296
Andretti didn't exactly do himself any good in the first 3 races of the season, crashing out and taking people off with him on the first lap.

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