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That would work very well, as long as they give the Q3 group extra qually tires. Otherwise the slower ones will just sit out or only do one lap.

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Its unanimous, back to the old qually for Bahrain:

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-te ... 80926/?s=1

Formula 1 teams have agreed to ditch elimination qualifying with immediate effect.

Following a meeting with the FIA on Sunday morning, it was agreed unanimously that the system used in Australia should be ditched.

Teams have agreed to revert to the old system from the Bahrain Grand Prix.

The change to the rules needs to be approved still by the Strategy Group and F1 Commission before going to the World Motor Sport Council, but that should be a formality.

The news comes after F1 team bosses united against the system following its first use yesterday.

[darwin dali]

Sounds interesting.

[myownalias]

A different format should be used. Keep the 3 sessions but do it like this:

Q1 – A 20 minute session with all 22 cars taking part, everyone can improve their laptime up to the chequered flag. At the end of the session the top 5 cars leapfrog straight into Q3, the bottom 17 cars progress to Q2.

Q2 – A 15 minute session with the bottom 17 cars from Q1 taking part, everyone can improve their laptime up to the chequered flag. At the end of the session the top 5 cars progess to Q3, the bottom 12 cars form positions 11 to 22 on the starting grid for the race.

Q3 – A 10 minute session with the top 5 cars from Q1 and the top 5 cars from Q2 taking part, everyone can improve their laptime up to the chequered flag. At the end of the session the top 10 cars form positions 1 to 10 on the starting grid for the race.

This method will mean every driver taking part will be pushing in every session they are in, which will make for better viewing for the spectators, and every driver taking part has 2 chances to make the Q3 session and fight for pole position, which is a fairer system than the knockout format of previous seasons.

Interesting indeed, and it would mean we don't get the shock exits due to car issues and running out of time in Q1, those drivers will get a second chance in Q2. I still prefer the old 60 minute session with a max of 12 laps per car, but your option is better than this disastrous qualifying and 2015 qualifying. And the top 10 shootout essentially remains the same.

Maybe you should suggest it to the FIA/FOM, they are supposedly listening to the fans. If that were true the Melbourne qualifying would never had seen the light of day, many fans disliked the quali formula from the first moment we heard about it!

[sagi58]

I like rob91's proposal...

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Pirelli and the promoters may not give approval to return to 'normal' qually. Unanimous approval is required.

F1 Commission unanimity not guaranteed for qualifying revamp

"Pirelli says it wants to fully understand Formula 1 teams' arguments for ditching elimination qualifying so quickly before it will throw its support behind the plan.

Following an outcry over the farcical end to Q3 in Australia, when there were no cars on track in the closing minutes of the session, F1 teams met on Sunday morning and agreed to revert to the old qualifying system for the Bahrain Grand Prix.

That move still needs to go back through the Strategy Group and F1 Commission for unanimous approval though – which means it will need support from other interested parties like track promoters and Pirelli.

And Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery has made it clear he does not share the view that the elimination qualifying was a total disaster – and thinks that a better solution would be just to tweak Q3. ......"

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-co ... mp-681510/

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So according to Autosport elimination qualification Aussy style is back 'unaltered' for Bahrain! Why Bernie?? Why?

F1 gives elimination qualifying system reprive for Bahrain GP

Formula 1 qualifying will remain unaltered for the forthcoming Bahrain Grand Prix, with a further review of the elimination system to follow that race, Autosport can confirm.

"The decision was taken following Thursday morning's meeting of the F1 Commission, a 26-member group comprising representatives from the teams, the FIA, Formula One Management, race promoters, sponsors and other technical partners.

The belief is rather than taking a knee-jerk reaction, the elimination system that made its debut ahead during the Australian Grand Prix weekend should be given another chance, and then be thoroughly reviewed ahead of making potential tweaks.

"They're going to do what I proposed, which is leave things as they are for this race [in Bahrain]," F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone told Autosport."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... or-bahrain

[myownalias]

Corporate interests, that is why! despite the format being universally hated by teams, drivers, pundits and fans alike, FOM has decided to ignore all of that...

[darwin dali]

Prediction: they're going back to the old format by China.

We're still on track for my prediction

[darwin dali]

The Formula 1 Strategy group has infuriated teams and drivers by retaining the new live elimination qualifying format that failed miserably at the season opening Australian Grand Prix. They have decided to try it at the upcoming Bahrain Grand Prix as well before reviewing it again.

The new format, which was meant to excite fans, failed to live up to expectations with the final session coming to an end with three minutes still left on the clock. It ended up being farcical and was derided by almost every team boss and driver. It was also agreed that the new format will be scrapped before the next race in the Middle East. The Strategy Group, however, failed to reach a unanimous agreement needed to change the rule.

"Yes, it's pretty embarrassing. We have a global sport with millions of spectators and we have changed the rules in an erratic way, which we shouldn't have done. I think stability is important at that very moment and keeping it simple," Mercedes boss Toto Wolff said, after the qualifying session at the Albert Park circuit in Australia, as quoted by ESPN F1.

Christian Horner was also incensed with the new format calling for the sport to apologise to fans. Nonetheless, Bernie Ecclestone confirmed that the meeting did not have the desired outcome, as they are set to give the live elimination format another go in Bahrain.

"The outcome I think is that we are going to stay as we are," Ecclestone told Reuters. "After Bahrain, we're going to have a look at it," he added, as quoted by ESPN F1.


So who were those d!ckheads?

[darwin dali]

I guess this is the answer to my question:

PaddockTalk.com
"The teams are discussing it but to go back there is no unanimity," F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone, apparently referring to his and FIA president Jean Todt's vote in the F1 Commission, told Italy's La Gazzetta dello Sport.

[myownalias]

Some suggestions taken from my blog that might make the current format viable.

"At the Australian GP there were issues in all three sessions. We saw drivers sitting in the pits as their time ticked down and Albert Park has a quick lap time compared to many on the calendar. The only way I can see a timed knockout system working is if we had tyres that can last the full length of the session and all cars have to be out on track for the whole session, pitting, changing tyres and refueling takes too long.

There were also issues with tyre allocation, Jenson Button said he stayed in the pits in Australia’s Q2 session because of the lack of tyre availability. So we need to change the way tyres are allocated as well, maybe have a separate allocation of tyres for qualifying, a set of medium/hard tyres per session, maybe"

[darwin dali]

You'd think that with the freedom of tire choice this season, tire availability shouldn't be that much of an issue anymore!?!?

[myownalias]

You'd think that with the freedom of tire choice this season, tire availability shouldn't be that much of an issue anymore!?!?

Don't they have the same amount of tyres though? more choice does not help the situation when tyres are so limited!

[darwin dali]

Yes, but they could go all out and have 12:1 of the two compounds they plan on racing. Risky, but doable.