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[Red Racer]

I feel sorry for him there must be so much presure. Since Hamilton everyone expects there new driver to be at the top of there game in the 1st couple of races. He is obviuoly good because no one is crap in F1. I think he just needs just a little more time to improve.

"Since Hamilton"? That was last year! It's not like there's been enough time to set a precedent!

Anyway, noone expected Piquet to be fighting for WDCs or even beating Alonso, people just weren't expecting him to be so consistently at the back of the mid-field or worse.

For an F1 driver, he's astoundingly mediocre

Hamilton was on fire to start with when all the other new drivers take a while to find there pace. Hamiltons 1st race he was only a little bit behind and close the gap to FA with the nexy couple of races were if you look to others Kovalinen was always a couple of posistions down the grid to fisi but caught up late in the year. Glock has been doing well and now setling in to the toyota but hamilton setled in within the 1st race.

In Kovy and Glock's defense, last year's McLaren is the F1 car equivalent of a leather recliner.

Yes but hamilton found his pace very early and glock is starting to find his pace but in turkey he had a problem in quali if he didn’t i think he might of got his 1st point.
Im not someone who is obsessed with hamilton its was just shocking to see him start his career with such pace.

[bud]

In Kovy and Glock's defense, last year's McLaren is the F1 car equivalent of a leather recliner.

and Alonso was his remote control??
no matter how you try and bring Lewis's skill down the fact remains he did perform from the get go against a 2 time world champ

[beeday]

In Kovy and Glock's defense, last year's McLaren is the F1 car equivalent of a leather recliner.

and Alonso was his remote control??
no matter how you try and bring Lewis's skill down the fact remains he did perform from the get go against a 2 time world champ

gotta agree with bud on this one. Lewis definitely has skill. if it weren't for that scandal, he would have been champ on his rookie year at f1.

[Denthúl]

In Kovy and Glock's defense, last year's McLaren is the F1 car equivalent of a leather recliner.

and Alonso was his remote control??
no matter how you try and bring Lewis's skill down the fact remains he did perform from the get go against a 2 time world champ

I wasn't aware that Alonso only started racing last season...

[bud]

In Kovy and Glock's defense, last year's McLaren is the F1 car equivalent of a leather recliner.

and Alonso was his remote control??
no matter how you try and bring Lewis's skill down the fact remains he did perform from the get go against a 2 time world champ

I wasn't aware that Alonso only started racing last season...

where did i say that? i was using Alonso as a yard stick seeing as he drove the lounge chair aswell...

But apparently what Lewis achieved was nothing special... all about the car
people talk of Rookies making the adjustment to F1 and to give them time.. thats fair, people rarely talk of Rookies having to deal with that ontop of dealing with the pressure of fighting for a world championship. ending up only dropping down by 1 point. now you say he choked, maybe so but then hey he was a rookie, give him time right?? baaa never enough for some!!!
I was never a lewis fan as such but this season especially the amount of bullpoo written against him by so called F1 fans who suffer from whats called the "tall poppy sydnrome" has made me come out in his defence.

Get a life!!

[Denthúl]

In Kovy and Glock's defense, last year's McLaren is the F1 car equivalent of a leather recliner.

and Alonso was his remote control??
no matter how you try and bring Lewis's skill down the fact remains he did perform from the get go against a 2 time world champ

I wasn't aware that Alonso only started racing last season...

where did i say that? i was using Alonso as a yard stick seeing as he drove the lounge chair aswell...

But apparently what Lewis achieved was nothing special... all about the car
people talk of Rookies making the adjustment to F1 and to give them time.. thats fair, people rarely talk of Rookies having to deal with that ontop of dealing with the pressure of fighting for a world championship. ending up only dropping down by 1 point. now you say he choked, maybe so but then hey he was a rookie, give him time right?? baaa never enough for some!!!
I was never a lewis fan as such but this season especially the amount of bullpoo written against him by so called F1 fans who suffer from whats called the "tall poppy sydnrome" has made me come out in his defence.

Get a life!!

The point I was making is that Alonso didn't have to come into it. The comparison Jensonb made was between the MP4-22 and Hamilton, and the Renault and Toyota driven by Kovalainen and Glock respectively, with Piquet as an addition for this time round.

[7UpJordan]

I think I'd add Nakajima to that list too.

[Denthúl]

I think I'd add Nakajima to that list too.

Nakajima has been, in my opinion, the most impressive of this year's rookies. Glock and Piquet have, at times, showed some good practice and qualifying performances, but failed to make an impact in the race. Nakajima has, however, had a few races where he has kept up a good pace and scored some points. His debut was definitely impressive, although somewhat overshadowed by a number of factors: running over his mechanic, Raikkonen winning the championship, Hamilton not doing so and, perhaps the most impressive moment of that race, Nico Rosberg passing the BMWs to score a solid fourth-place finish.

Unfortunately, Kazuki has had a couple of sub-par performances. But he's a rookie, and he's having a fairly standard rookie year in a car that can be very good or else very bad.

Bourdais is doing well, too. Vettel however, in his first full year, isn't having the same kind of performance. Maybe the introduction of the STR3 will change all that. Maybe Vettel and Bourdais will be racing up there with Coulthard and Webber.

[bud]

The point I was making is that Alonso didn't have to come into it. The comparison Jensonb made was between the MP4-22 and Hamilton, and the Renault and Toyota driven by Kovalainen and Glock respectively, with Piquet as an addition for this time round.

mate dont you get it? dont you know what a yard stick is?? if the car was so piss easy to drive then why not compare Hamiltons skill to the guy in the same car. you see it as a dig at Alonso dont ya?

[Denthúl]

The point I was making is that Alonso didn't have to come into it. The comparison Jensonb made was between the MP4-22 and Hamilton, and the Renault and Toyota driven by Kovalainen and Glock respectively, with Piquet as an addition for this time round.

mate dont you get it? dont you know what a yard stick is?? if the car was so piss easy to drive then why not compare Hamiltons skill to the guy in the same car. you see it as a dig at Alonso dont ya?

No, I do get it and I don't take it as a dig at Alonso - I couldn't care what your opinion of him is, it isn't the matter at hand here. And I'm not going to get into the argument with you, either. Now...

The point is, there was no comparison between a rookie and a guy who has been driving in F1 for years. If you look back at it, you can clearly see (unless you are only picking out what you want to read) that the point made was that Hamilton had his first year in a good car, whilst the other three had cars which were hard for experienced drivers to get into the points, let alone rookies.

By all means, make your comparison to Alonso, but do please realise that it doesn't actually hold any relevence to the point which is being made, which iss rookie drivers and the cars that they drove. Hamilton has talent and was given the best car with which to perform. To compare other rookies to that standard, when they are driving vastly inferior vehicles, is unfair on them.

[bud]

ahh what a load of crap!

seriously dude! Hamilton on many occasions beat Alonso ended up above the 2 time world champ in the title race good car or not it was bloody impressive. So by beating Alonso in the same car was all down to the machinery?

[f1ea]

I agree with Denthul, Naka has been the best rookie so far. Even yard-sticking him to his high profiled tea mate, he has done a really good job and his sort of inconsistencies have been seen in both drivers, so Im sure Williams is pretty happy with him.

Second is Bourdais, but probably because Vettel has had such a nightmare season... i really wish for the TR guys to get some luck coming their way with the new car.

Piquet and Glock have both been mediocre. I think Piquet is still not ready, maybe from a mental point of view. He's made decent showings at times, but during the races and when it matters, he seems to just lose it. To me, he has really let down, but I think things will get better when he starts finishing races...

[Denthúl]

ahh what a load of crap!

seriously dude! Hamilton on many occasions beat Alonso ended up above the 2 time world champ in the title race good car or not it was bloody impressive. So by beating Alonso in the same car was all down to the machinery?

I did not say that. That is simply your assumption. Not once did I say that the only reason he performed as well as he did was because of the car. Nor did I say that Alonso was better than him. Or even that anything he did last season was not impressive. Those are all your words that you, for whatever reason, seem to want to believe that I said...

What I did say, on the other hand, was that his car was far superior to the Renault which seemed to be lacking in a lot of areas last year, and in general speed this year, and the Toyota which is also considerably slower than last year's McLaren.

[f1ea]

Pssst guys:

Would you like a Lewis - Alonso thread?
I could create one for ya

[bud]

ahh what a load of crap!

seriously dude! Hamilton on many occasions beat Alonso ended up above the 2 time world champ in the title race good car or not it was bloody impressive. So by beating Alonso in the same car was all down to the machinery?

I did not say that. That is simply your assumption. Not once did I say that the only reason he performed as well as he did was because of the car. Nor did I say that Alonso was better than him. Or even that anything he did last season was not impressive. Those are all your words that you, for whatever reason, seem to want to believe that I said...

What I did say, on the other hand, was that his car was far superior to the Renault which seemed to be lacking in a lot of areas last year, and in general speed this year, and the Toyota which is also considerably slower than last year's McLaren.

well your whole theory here is that Lewis had it easy while Kovi and Piquet have had poor cars which made it hard for them to shine in their rookie years.
SO yeah in affect while you may not admit it you are bringing Lewis's performance in his rookie year down.
After all ill quote jensonb, it was like driving an armchair

see the only REAL comparison you can make in F1 is between team mates as they are in the same machinery. comparing one rookie to another in different machines is pointless, they all had a job at hand to do some havent lived up to that job, no excuses!!!