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[7UpJordan]

Testing times don't really count for anything a lot of the time. BMW like to sandbag, just like Patrick Head suspected they did in pre-season.

[Mikep99]

DD they are all young mwn with sausages Havent seen Lewis'going any wilder with the sausage than any of the others !

Yeah well, some can deal with it (possibly because they surround themselves with people that keep them grounded to some degree) and become world champions (KR), some are still too young and immature and stuff up instead of becoming great. Look, e.g., at no-nonsense drivers like RK who took the hard way and focused entirely on their career (he moved as a young teen from Poland to Italy all by himself to get into serious racing). This kind of dedication invokes much more admiration in me than having been RD's personal pet project for a decade.

Yes DD the main reason I don't like the boy. And this is the ONLY reason hammy is in the limelight today driving for one of the best teams strait out of nappies (which he is still wearing by the way).
Yeh he is a good driver but so is RK & who deserves more praise and respect for where they are today

[f1ea]

It seems that Dennis has forgiven him about the Williams episode, and that's fine. Hamilton should now shut his trap, appreciate the great people he has behind him, and allow them to make the necessary and informed decisions about how McLaren is run, or at the very least not vent his heavily biased and erroneous views in public. It's incredibly inappreciative and unprofessional.

This seems to be the part about Lewis that most people disregard. There is absolutely no need for him to come in public and tell Ron Dennis what he thinks is the best for Mclaren. Just like it wasn't right for him to do the same at the Monaco press conference last year and at Hungary during Q.

Mclaren Fan's not saying anything to put Lewis' driving talents down. But F1 is a relentless environment, and there is no such thing as being too harsh on someone. Besides, don't take it personal (against Lewis) Racechick... i'm sure M'Fan is just as harsh with everyone else

[f1ea]

Testing times don't really count for anything a lot of the time. BMW like to sandbag, just like Patrick Head suspected they did in pre-season.

Yeah you're right... but the pre-season is over. I'd like to think there's no time for playing anymore.

[bud]

Yeah well, some can deal with it (possibly because they surround themselves with people that keep them grounded to some degree) and become world champions (KR), some are still too young and immature and stuff up instead of becoming great. Look, e.g., at no-nonsense drivers like RK who took the hard way and focused entirely on their career (he moved as a young teen from Poland to Italy all by himself to get into serious racing). This kind of dedication invokes much more admiration in me than having been RD's personal pet project for a decade.

Yes DD the main reason I don't like the boy. And this is the ONLY reason hammy is in the limelight today driving for one of the best teams strait out of nappies (which he is still wearing by the way).
Yeh he is a good driver but so is RK & who deserves more praise and respect for where they are today

wha do you guys think of Nico Rosberg i wonder

[Rivelution]

Testing times don't really count for anything a lot of the time. BMW like to sandbag, just like Patrick Head suspected they did in pre-season.

It takes BMW forever to get the right setup aswell.

[Mikep99]

Yeah well, some can deal with it (possibly because they surround themselves with people that keep them grounded to some degree) and become world champions (KR), some are still too young and immature and stuff up instead of becoming great. Look, e.g., at no-nonsense drivers like RK who took the hard way and focused entirely on their career (he moved as a young teen from Poland to Italy all by himself to get into serious racing). This kind of dedication invokes much more admiration in me than having been RD's personal pet project for a decade.

Yes DD the main reason I don't like the boy. And this is the ONLY reason hammy is in the limelight today driving for one of the best teams strait out of nappies (which he is still wearing by the way).
Yeh he is a good driver but so is RK & who deserves more praise and respect for where they are today

wha do you guys think of Nico Rosberg i wonder

bud there is not that much HYPE around Nico that I see. I am sure even you can see the difference

I think you need some of this mate Clicky Its therapeutic

[bud]

who was talking about hype? not me....not you guys! read again sparky

[f1ea]

wha do you guys think of Nico Rosberg i wonder

I think he's pretty cute.
Ok seriously: I think he's a QUIET guy, trying his best in F1. Kinda preppy... but with the help from his father and his abilities he has been able to shine in a farily decent car, with a great team. He has gotten along well with his teammates, despite outperforming them. I've seen him pull really bold moves... He has never commented negatively on either his team nor his teammates, despite not being able to race for points and definitely seen his share of frustrating moments. Has been able to ignite his team, and provide them some kind of hope at a really opportune time (with the end of customer, the death of indy F1 etc). Has probably been OFFERED better rides than his actual... but instead has chosen to keep improving and wait until an opportunity arrives. I have never heard him threaten his team as Alonso has, even though the media is probably dying to get some kind of comments on this matter. In fact, the media is probably more eager to hear him say he's out of Williams than he is....

How about Vettel? The 1st words that comes to mind... HARD-WORKING. and QUIET.
And Piquet: I would say... QUIET. Yup, definitely a quiet guy.

Key word being.... you guessed it: cute.

Do I think they are better than Hamilton? I really can't tell, except for Piquet. He is just not ready enough... but I would really like to see Nico or Vettel in a Mclaren, or a Ferrari . Although I doubt Nico would go to Mclaren with Hamilton there... unless they do sell completely to Mercedes. Which I hope doesn't happen, because Mclaren and Williams represent the last of the last pure racing and unbuyable teams in F1.

[Mikep99]

who was talking about hype? not me....not you guys! read again sparky

Not sure what your on about mateee.
I think compaired to you I am more like a Supernova

[McLaren Fan]

Well Mclaren fan you must be very disappointed that Lewis drives for McLaren

No, not at all. I want the best drivers at the team, and I feel in Hamilton and Kovalainen that McLaren will have the best driver line-up in a season or two when they both gain a little more experience.

Lewis trying to jump ship Ahhh is that why you dislike him?? Ive hardly given that a thought. You say the ron /lewis father/ son relationship makes you cringe yet you dont like it when he acts for himself(or rateher his manager does) All drivers wheeler deal and change teams. At some point Lewis had to step outside of his role of Ron's boy. Non of the worlds great talents are owned. I hope he stays at McLaren, I think it the best place for him but its very rare a driver does that. I doubt he was serious about williams, his manager was dealing...and it worked, Lewis was in the McLaren and wowing the world. McLaren are not naive either.

Sorry, can't agree. Let me give you the facts of what happened. In 2005, Hamilton demanded he get a race seat in a McLaren for 2006. McLaren told him he was to do another year in GP2 to gain experience so he would be fully ready for Formula One in 2007. To me, that seems a fair enough decision from Hamilton's benefactors and experts in the sport, but Hamilton and his da were not happy. So, they went off talking to teams behind McLaren's back. In the end, Hamilton's da's plan did not work, because although Williams were prepared to take Hamilton, BMW were not. Had BMW been prepared to sign him, Hamilton would have gone straight to Williams, and shafted McLaren good and proper.

Hamilton's talent is not owned, but he owes McLaren, Ron Dennis in particular, a hell of a lot. McLaren took Hamilton when his father was working two jobs to pay for his racing. Had McLaren not taken Hamilton, God only knows where he would be.

So, Anna, do you feel that going in the huff and negotiating behind McLaren's back was the right thing to do in that situation?

[bud]

who was talking about hype? not me....not you guys! read again sparky

Not sure what your on about mateee.

thats obvious

read again "one of the main reasons i dont like the boy"

his nurtured rise in Motorsport is what you were referring to no? and why you agreed with DD that Kubica doing it the hard way to get into F1 earns him more respect in the mikep book of wisdom

again i ask what you think of Nico Rosberg then who had a similar nurtured rise into F1
but he didnt get a drive for a top team straight away so in effect youre damning Lewis Hamilton for driving in a winning car, which he has won in.

good point of view you have there

[Mikep99]

who was talking about hype? not me....not you guys! read again sparky

Not sure what your on about mateee.

thats obvious

read again "one of the main reasons i dont like the boy"

his nurtured rise in Motorsport is what you were referring to no? and why you agreed with DD that Kubica doing it the hard way to get into F1 earns him more respect in the mikep book of wisdom

again i ask what you think of Nico Rosberg then who had a similar nurtured rise into F1
but he didnt get a drive for a top team straight away so in effect youre damning Lewis Hamilton for driving in a winning car, which he has won in.

good point of view you have there

Thanks mate

Again tell me who has the most HYPE - Hammy or Nico ? this will answer your question.
They are both spoilt & both would not get my respect as much as a Kubica would even if they acheive more ?

All Hammy has shown me is that he is a good driver in a good team who demands respect.
But I must say I will give it to him, he is very talented being able to do it all with a silver spoon up his arse

Just look at his demeanor on the podium Manaco 2007

[nikon133]

"Driving with his sausage gone wild" LOL I love that expression! I'll remember that. He may be driving with his sausage gone wild but he uses his brain as well. As Bud said it was only really a problem in that long turn 8. I love to watch him drive and would hate him to loose his exciting style and become a boring driver.

I meant that in more than one way. I think he's getting too distracted by money/new endorsements (with his daddy being the driving force) and girls (he's a young man). Nothing wrong with enjoying life as an F1 driver, but to become a great don't look further than to the dedication and focus of an MS or AP or AS.

It's very easy to get distracted, especially at such a young age, but his father believes the hype surrounding his son and is leading him to believe he is God's gift. I will for ever resent the man - and Hamilton to a degree as well - for trying to get his son a drive with Williams a couple of years ago, just because McLaren felt it would be better for him to stay in GP 2 for another season. After all McLaren and Ron Dennis did personally for Hamilton, that attitude is frankly sickening. The man clearly has no moral values. Decadent arrogance normally leads to dangerous territory. Hamilton needs better counsel.

If that is true, it reminds me on stories about some young east European tennis players being pushed by their "manager" parents beyond any human reasons. I can't say it is the same about LH, but comes to those people, greed and desperate need to compensate for their own lack of talent was obviously stronger than parental feelings.

In general, I think no one should have parents for managers. Mixing family and business doesn't go well. Manager has to be cool head & cold heart pro, not someone who thinks that pushing you beyond the limit means wishing you the best. God save me from over ambitious parents.

[nikon133]

Im sure Hamilton can tweak if its needed but his style is FAST. Faster than Heikki at the moment so maybe doing a better job with the tyres would not be the better job to do to win the race.
You say Lewis isnt focused well I think he is and he certainly doesnt complain. You cant compare eras but since you did I'll reply. I think ,like you ,that Senna was the best but if you are talking about complaining -do you remember Senna complaining at that race where he wanted pole to be put on the other side of the track?? Can you imagine the outcry if Lewis pulled that stunt. And if you're compararing him to Senna then Senna d!cked around a lot off the track- ask Gerhard Berger...didnt affect his driving.

DD they are all young mwn with sausages Havent seen Lewis'going any wilder with the sausage than any of the others !

I'm not completely sure I'd agree that Hamilton is faster than Kovalainen, in fact, when you take into account pit strategies, Kovalainen is just as, if not more, fast than Hamilton. That is a pretty shocking statistic when one considers Hamilton is touted as the next best thing, and that Kovalainen is new to McLaren's setup.

I didn't say Hamilton was not focused, although he is clearly enjoying the high life and getting increasingly up his own arse. I notice you didn't try to defend Hamilton against wanting to jump ship to Williams. Why? Because there is no defence. All this crap about Dennis and Hamilton having a father and son relationship makes me cringe. I didn't see Hamilton even giving Dennis a blind bit of consideration when he was trying to negotiate his move from the team. Basically, the attitude was, "Thanks for giving me the best of everything, Ron; your time, money, training, and advice for the last ten years, but I'm going to disappear now to Williams." It would be rather funny if he did, for he'd be somewhere in the midfield struggling to beat Rosberg.

Your parallels with Senna are, simply, outrageous, and hopelessly incongruous. As you well know, Senna had perfect reason to complain, given that Balestre, as he admitted soon after Senna's death, stepped in on numerous occasions to favour his compatriot, Prost. Nothing of the sort is going on with Hamilton. McLaren have given him everything and did their utmost to ready him for Formula One, but Hamilton has chosen and continues to chose to throw it back in the team's face. It takes more than some cheap sound bites from his PR training - which McLaren also paid for, by the way - to convince me about his goodly character.

It seems that Dennis has forgiven him about the Williams episode, and that's fine. Hamilton should now shut his trap, appreciate the great people he has behind him, and allow them to make the necessary and informed decisions about how McLaren is run, or at the very least not vent his heavily biased and erroneous views in public. It's incredibly inappreciative and unprofessional.

Well Mclaren fan you must be very disappointed that Lewis drives for McLaren
Up his own arse? Now how do you work that one out?
Lewis trying to jump ship Ahhh is that why you dislike him?? Ive hardly given that a thought. You say the ron /lewis father/ son relationship makes you cringe yet you dont like it when he acts for himself(or rateher his manager does) All drivers wheeler deal and change teams. At some point Lewis had to step outside of his role of Ron's boy. Non of the worlds great talents are owned. I hope he stays at McLaren, I think it the best place for him but its very rare a driver does that. I doubt he was serious about williams, his manager was dealing...and it worked, Lewis was in the McLaren and wowing the world. McLaren are not naive either.
Im sure Lewis does recognise the support he has and the expertise around him but that does not mean he has to become an automaton. If you listen to people who know him (Other drivers, past combatants)they speak very highly of him. He is entitled to his views and I have not heard him speaking ill of his team or being unproffessional.
Senna-I did not say Senna was wrong in what he did, I just said he complained. I have not heard Lewis complaining. But you either accept someones right to complain or you dont. The rights and wrongs of the actual complaint can be argued endlessly.
I think you have Lewis wrong and I think its because you think he is unfair to McLaren, I realise that from your last post. Nobody is perfect but I think you are very harsh in your judgement of him

No, I think he is spot-on right. What he said summarizes how I see LH as well.