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If any F1 engine manufacturer is to be singled out as perhaps 'best' it would be Ferrari with their engines in 16 wcc cars. Mercedes only have done it 3 times, 4 if 2015 is included! They have a long way to go. Renault 12, Ford 10, Honda has 6.
If any F1 engine manufacturer is to be singled out as perhaps 'best' it would be Ferrari with their engines in 16 wcc cars. Mercedes only have done it 3 times, 4 if 2015 is included! They have a long way to go. Renault 12, Ford 10, Honda has 6.
Its sometimes hard to get ones head around statistics, especially when in a hurry to express "passion""
Merc have been in F1 as an engine supplier for a certain number of years, as have Ferrari, whats therefore of any interest is how may winning cars thy powered out of the opportunities they had - i.e. when they were around
Those grown up stats prove Rys point beyond any doubt whatsoever. Even Cosworth are miles better than Ferrari. If we were to then look at the stats for the period we have had engine freeze rules in place then Ferrari hardly register compare to Merc and Red Bull
Being the best is not merely about quantity, its more about quality. If it takes 100 races to win 3 times vs 10 races to win 5 times (3% vs 50%) there are not many yardsticks in the post abacus era that would say the 3% rate is better. Stats based on ""passion"" can be funny like that - in grown up fact, on the current grid Ferrari are the worst by far, even Honda have more success at ""powering winning cars""
After the agony of defeat, success will be sweet!Ha only cookin in his haste for passion would try to turn a lackluster record into something shiny.
Even if we were to just go back to just the most recent past 15 seasons (with Merc in attendance for each year!) Ferrari powered wcc cars are 8, Renault are 6, Mercedes 2.
Merc has a long way to go to catch Renault who have 3x the wcc wins.
Can't really say that Merc are the 'undisputed best engine maker' in F1 imo.
ps. Red Bull aren't an engine manufacturer. They use Renault engines!
But they are currently the undisputed best. That's why some people say things will be boring, because mercedes will win, because they have the best engine. Williams are doing quite well and Lotus have come on in leaps and bounds. They both have Merc engines too.
Anyway, I'm no engine expert, but here's an article to muse over concerning the best ten engines to race in F1. It places Ferrari's best effort tenth and the 2014 Merc engine second. So I think on that basis my choice was closer to the mark than yours.
http://formulaspy.com/features/top-ten- ... ce-f1-9274
It is hard to understand I know, but grown up stats dont cherry pick a few years - thats called 'fitting the data'
Ferrari have been building engines in F1 for many many many years and have a poor return of powering winning cars, subjectivity cannot trump objective fact
This despite, their own test track and unlimited funds, a veto on FOM management, a veto on the regulations, an annual 90 mill extra payment, their ex TP in charge of the and th longest continuous period of building engines to the regs they choose.
Yet everyone agrees they built the worst engine depite having 4 years to prepare and the inimitable MS on the payroll
Its hard to argue with them there facts
The best engine maker is the one who makes the best engines, Merc made the best V8 although McLaren made 0 use of it - the best engine has been made and we know who made it ergo Rys right, end of story. And Red Bull have been making a big part of the Renault POWER UNIT for years now
So lets try not to invite ridicule by not addressing these winning facts and instead saying silly things
Agreed he's no engine expert but ge has put thought and research into the choices rather than pick engines to suit an arguement or to try to discredit an engine maker he dislikes.
Agreed he's no engine expert but ge has put thought and research into the choices rather than pick engines to suit an arguement or to try to discredit an engine maker he dislikes.
I mainly dislike the flawed engine rules that are ruining the racing. But if you are looking for someone actively going out of his way to discredit an engine manufacturer he dislikes then you need to look no further than cookinflat6's last posts!
Agreed he's no engine expert but ge has put thought and research into the choices rather than pick engines to suit an arguement or to try to discredit an engine maker he dislikes.
I mainly dislike the flawed engine rules that are ruining the racing. But if you are looking for someone actively going out of his way to discredit an engine manufacturer he dislikes then you need to look no further than cookinflat6's last posts!
Agreed he's no engine expert but ge has put thought and research into the choices rather than pick engines to suit an arguement or to try to discredit an engine maker he dislikes.
I mainly dislike the flawed engine rules that are ruining the racing. But if you are looking for someone actively going out of his way to discredit an engine manufacturer he dislikes then you need to look no further than cookinflat6's last posts!
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