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[CookinFlat6]

Haha, its too funny - its like an interactive AI clown thats programmed to give you hours of entertainment if you can think up silly things to suggest

And every so often, we get a

you hit the jackpot

I like the Ricciardo angle, (watch this) how comes the most popular driver who everyone thinks is the best doesnt have any endorsments to rival Danica??

[CookinFlat6]

Luckily it's the Lewis Hamilton thread support thread... otherwise there would have been some writing in green and warnings issues.

Oh yeah, On the lewis thread, its called stating ones opinion even when several fans create opposition debate

On the Ferrari thread its called stating ones opinion that is not the acceptable opinion because its provocative to the 2 Ferrari fans

[Hammer278]

Ferrari fans? I can only think of 1 Ferrari """fan""" here, the other hardcore supporter bailed after learning that fossil fuels aren't the future and Ferrari weren't using satellite technology in winter testing to fool everyone else into thinking they aren't contenders..

[CookinFlat6]

Hopefully, instead of comment and provide opinions about Ferrari in threads outside the ""support"" thread, we can instead just make things up and persist even when proven as liars, as long as its not honest if negative opinion that could provoke the ferrari fans then its not baiting

Lets just make """things"" up!!!!!

[myownalias]

Here you go, WB! some text in green warning about the usual repetitive argumentative and personal BS, is it time for this thread to take a break? Overboost, CookinFlat6, Hammer278, What's Burning? and Sagi58, I will dish out warnings to anyone who continues these tiresome repetitive arguments, you are all adults, start to act like it.

[CookinFlat6]

This thread could have done with someone trying to read the discussion and then moderating it by identifying the part that is not helping to facilitate the natural function of a forum - discussion that is constructive, i.e select the member that is not adding to the the knowledge pool, or is actually lying, or twisting the argument, ignoring points and generally losing. Like a referee who thinks 'this debate has been concluded, member x should therefore quit'

Now obviously I am not suggesting the moderators change the way they operate, or making comments on the moderating, just lamenting the absence of a referee on the Lewis thread, as we all know that some people will always resort to the logical fallacies when losing and other participants are not best placed to terminate the debate

Traditional open debate forums say in the local town hall always have a referee or public vote to decide things when one side turn to the fallacies - That would be moderating the debate as opposed to blocking it once it has stopped being constructive

just my 2 pence worth, but someone behaving in a way not within the common rules of constructive debate does not have an automatic right to continue, so when an argument is based on a statement that is clearly shown to be untrue or fallacious, a type of refereeing would be to step in and declare it null and void, instead of expecting the participants to decide to stop

the house of commons debates are no different and thats why a chair has to have the final say, rather than ask everyone not to argue or not to disagree in the interests of an easy life - thats not constructive

on autosport forum, the referees are always quick to jump in once an argument is proven or dismissed, saying things like 'x, you still didnt produce this proof, its obvious you dont have any because you changed the subject, so this debate is over before it becomes pointless bickering'

but the referrees would ofcourse have to have some sound knowledge of F1 and have no motivations for intervening beyond facilitating a flow of constructive and lively debates

in fact the more I think about it, I think a knowledgeable but fair and nice person like RC could be encouraged to respond to requests for judging the outcome of a debate whenever any participant, observer or moderator feels it is getting heated or pointless. she could then step in read the main points and declare it closed - sometimes without agreement and sometimes by declaring the credible side based on the evidence presented

[myownalias]

Cookin, our function as moderators is to step in when rules are broken and take appropriate action when necessary. Plus, to guide people away from breaking rules when we can see something brewing. We are not here to be referees or decide who is right or wrong, an opinion can never be wrong by definition, we are police officers, here to uphold the law (rules).

I don't see how any member of the forum/mod team could act as referee because we all have our own opinions and allegiances, I'm sure RC will say herself that she can not be 100% unbiased.

[racechick]

It's hard as a mod, sometimes we are pulled in all directions. We have our views, we have our opinions and we try to be fair, and it's hard.

[CookinFlat6]

Im talking about policing the moral rules of debate

deliberate lies or insults should not be tolerated

lies by mistake, one pointed out should be retracted

Attempts to deceive or to perpetuate a fallacious debate

Some forums have rules that cover false and misleading info and these are policed

Some forums also have rules that cover knowingly perpetuating baseless claims or arguments

This would make a world of difference to the quality and integrity of the space

Be warned: arguments are welcome, personal insults are not

Xenophobic, homophobic sexist and other hateful comments are not welcome here. Please report them. Particularly egregious comments may result in the member being permanently excluded without warning. We accept that nationalism, feminism, religion and political viewpoints are important to motorsport but are welcome only where they concern it.

You may not post information on this forum that is knowingly false. "It's just an opinion" as an afterthought, having created an argument, is simply not good enough.

why should a member be allowed to continue to perpetrate an argument after proof is provided that it is wrong or a lie? why let this slide and then blanket censor both sides if the liar is shamelessly willing to continue?

doesnt make sense - dont insult others, dont be rascist, sexist but you may continue to twist lies knowing it inflames those with particular sensibilities, - similar to race and gender

[myownalias]

OK, you've had your say and we have explained our policies, if you'd like to continue this discussion, please do so in the Forum and Website Discussion section, thanks.

[The Second Coming]

Here you go, WB! some text in green warning about the usual repetitive argumentative and personal BS, is it time for this thread to take a break? Overboost, CookinFlat6, Hammer278, What's Burning? and Sagi58, I will dish out warnings to anyone who continues these tiresome repetitive arguments, you are all adults, start to act like it.

#feelingleftout

[darwin dali]

Here you go, WB! some text in green warning about the usual repetitive argumentative and personal BS, is it time for this thread to take a break? Overboost, CookinFlat6, Hammer278, What's Burning? and Sagi58, I will dish out warnings to anyone who continues these tiresome repetitive arguments, you are all adults, start to act like it.

#feelingleftout

Because you're not an adult?

[The Second Coming]

Here you go, WB! some text in green warning about the usual repetitive argumentative and personal BS, is it time for this thread to take a break? Overboost, CookinFlat6, Hammer278, What's Burning? and Sagi58, I will dish out warnings to anyone who continues these tiresome repetitive arguments, you are all adults, start to act like it.

#feelingleftout

Because you're not an adult?

In certain parlance, it remains open for debate.

[What's Burning?]

Lewis has been partying it up.

[Hammer278]

Goddamnit I want to party with Michelle Rodriguez too.