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[CookinFlat6]

According to OB, Boulier is a Merc insider who says his team were held back from closing the gap in Merc because of the engine freeze. And the teams spent as much as they wanted on engine development upgrades support and packaging during the v8 era, and not been able to do this now is why Ferrari were beaten by Williams and is why the smaller teams went bust. Oh yeah and it's why ferrari spent money on aero instead of making a more powerful engine - Tombazzis was held back by Merc from integrating the chassis and engine efforts and that's why most of their staff have been sackedm

On top of the tyre test last year - no wonder Ferrari have gone backwards despite the biggest spending

What splendid comedy

[The Second Coming]

Y'know what I just realized? This thread is really good with popcorn. Who the heck started this anyway? Oh, wait...Cookin, you cheeky bugger! Cheerz mate!

In the words of Kevin McCalister, Merry Christmas, you filthy animal. ...and a Happy New Year!

Such fun!

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According to OB, Boulier is a Merc insider who says his team were held back from closing the gap in Merc because of the engine freeze. And the teams spent as much as they wanted on engine development upgrades support and packaging during the v8 era, and not been able to do this now is why Ferrari were beaten by Williams and is why the smaller teams went bust. Oh yeah and it's why ferrari spent money on aero instead of making a more powerful engine - Tombazzis was held back by Merc from integrating the chassis and engine efforts and that's why most of their staff have been sackedm

On top of the tyre test last year - no wonder Ferrari have gone backwards despite the biggest spending

What splendid comedy

Ok cookin, this time start your reply with "According to Eric Boullier ..." (not OB) and go from there. I am interested in your point of view on EB's observations that Mercedes has benefited from the engine freeze rules and how the others could catch up if the rules are unfrozen. Also comment on Boullier's professional opinion that the freeze disallows competition and goes against the spirit of the sport (F1).

This is your chance to prove to everyone that you are right and that you know better. Go for it. You can do it.

[CookinFlat6]

According to OB, Boulier is a Merc insider who says his team were held back from closing the gap in Merc because of the engine freeze. And the teams spent as much as they wanted on engine development upgrades support and packaging during the v8 era, and not been able to do this now is why Ferrari were beaten by Williams and is why the smaller teams went bust. Oh yeah and it's why ferrari spent money on aero instead of making a more powerful engine - Tombazzis was held back by Merc from integrating the chassis and engine efforts and that's why most of their staff have been sackedm

On top of the tyre test last year - no wonder Ferrari have gone backwards despite the biggest spending

What splendid comedy

Ok cookin, this time start your reply with "According to Eric Boullier ..." (not OB) and go from there. I am interested in your point of view on EB's observations that Mercedes has benefited from the engine freeze rules and how the others could catch up if the rules are unfrozen. Also comment on Boullier's professional opinion that the freeze disallows competition and goes against the spirit of the sport (F1).

This is your chance to prove to everyone that you are right and that you know better. Go for it. You can do it.

Propaganda - the art of stirring up the feeble minded into supporting a cause they dont understand

You are probably right that if they had remained a Merc customer EB would not have made these comments.

OB - propaganda is what happens when Horner, Bernie and Bouiller make comments that THEY PROBABLY WOULDNT MAKE OTHERWISE

Read up on politics, on history - read up on the concept of USEFUL IDIOT - and then work out what a USELESS IDIOT is

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According to OB, Boulier is a Merc insider who says his team were held back from closing the gap in Merc because of the engine freeze. And the teams spent as much as they wanted on engine development upgrades support and packaging during the v8 era, and not been able to do this now is why Ferrari were beaten by Williams and is why the smaller teams went bust. Oh yeah and it's why ferrari spent money on aero instead of making a more powerful engine - Tombazzis was held back by Merc from integrating the chassis and engine efforts and that's why most of their staff have been sackedm

On top of the tyre test last year - no wonder Ferrari have gone backwards despite the biggest spending

What splendid comedy

Ok cookin, this time start your reply with "According to Eric Boullier ..." (not OB) and go from there. I am interested in your point of view on EB's observations that Mercedes has benefited from the engine freeze rules and how the others could catch up if the rules are unfrozen. Also comment on Boullier's professional opinion that the freeze disallows competition and goes against the spirit of the sport (F1).

This is your chance to prove to everyone that you are right and that you know better. Go for it. You can do it.

Propaganda - the art of stirring up the feeble minded into supporting a cause they dont understand

You are probably right that if they had remained a Merc customer EB would not have made these comments.

OB - propaganda is what happens when Horner, Bernie and Bouiller make comments that THEY PROBABLY WOULDNT MAKE OTHERWISE

Read up on politics, on history - read up on the concept of USEFULL IDIOT - and then work out what a USELESS IDIOT is cookinflat6,

so your answer is that we should all just blindly believe in cookinflat6 propaganda? Or perhaps even Mercedes propaganda as you are implying that everything that Merc says is propaganda as well? As a certain Lewis Hamilton would say "go swivel".

What a cop out. I had thought that you could have at least tried to defend your arguments, any person with even elementary school debating club rebuttal skills would have done their best to come up with a defense. As a debater you fail!

Oh and whether or not Bouillier would have made these comments if McLaren remained a Merc customer is just my opinion. You claim it as a fact.
So you believe what I say but label observations made by EB, McLaren/Honda's Director of Racing, as un-believable. I should be honoured!

[CookinFlat6]

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Ha! And there it is. All cookinflat6 has to contribute when it gets right down to it are embarrassing s u c k i n g noises! Nice.

[CookinFlat6]

To work out the sound made by a smiley must have taken years of practising the 'activity' eh??

I bet you swallow as well don't you boycott?

[What's Burning?]

This should put some closure to the idiotic statements that Mercedes is stifling competition. Highlighted the only difference between the changes force upon the teams by Ferrari and Horner, but otherwise it's what would have happened regardless. Hoping we can mitigate the usual whining from the losers quite a bit this year.

Renault says it has made "fundamental changes" to its Formula 1 engine over the winter period, as it bids to close in on pacesetters Mercedes.

Engine manufacturers are permitted to modify up to 48 per cent of their power units for the 2015 season, and can spread updates throughout the campaign.

Renault has used the majority of the permitted 32 development tokens ahead of the opening race in Australia, leaving a "modest" allocation for the rest of the season.

"We have made some fundamental changes to gain performance and reliability," said Rob White, who is now Renault Sport's Chief Technical Officer.

"We have upgraded every system and subsystem, with items that will give the most performance prioritised.

"The principal changes involve the internal combustion engine, turbocharger and battery.

"The ICE will have a new combustion chamber, exhaust system concept and variable trumpets, as permitted by the 2015 regulations.

"The compressor is more efficient, while the energy recovery systems are able to deal with more severe usage.

"The 2014 unit was already well placed in its centre of gravity, however we have tidied up the packaging to give greater ease of integration into the chassis.

"Additionally many systems and functions have been rationalized and simplified to further ease the task.

"In short, there are very few carry over pieces between the 2014 and 2015 power units."

[CookinFlat6]

The dumbest one by far, and one that has no place outside a comic book, is the truly idiotic claims that the agreed upon token system - the device for policing the 'agreed by all' development (and therefore cost) parameters are SUDDENLY holding back 1 of the engine makers

Or that the token system is restrictive on only one engine maker - because they are not fit to compete according to constraints and regulations, and so even if they originally say they can compete within the parameters, when thy find out they cant - then its because they were stiffled and restricted by the parameters

Its like a marathon runner turning up for the race then demanding it be shortened to 10 km only because he wasnt able to get fit for 26 afterall, but only discovering this during the race, and having his half wit supporters claim that the kenyans are stiffling marathons by being fit enough for 26 miles - unfairly

[CookinFlat6]

And here we have it, the truth that cannot be boycotted

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/31454550

Ecclestone, F1's commercial chief, has been a staunch opponent of the new fuel-efficient engines since their adoption was agreed six years ago and has tried several times to get them dropped.
He believes they are too expensive and too quiet.
But all four car manufacturers involved in F1 insist on keeping the current engine format, with systems that recover energy from both the rear axle and turbocharger retained because of its relevance to road car technology.

Red Bull, whose team principal is Christian Horner, have proposed a freeze on development of the hybrid aspects of the engines
Ferrari president Sergio Marchionne had proposed a new hybrid format, based on a 1.9-litre V8 turbo engine, claiming it would be cheaper.
But he backed down on this when it was pointed out to him that changing the engine architecture could well mean Mercedes ended up further ahead, because their engine department is regarded as the best in F1.

ouch!! careful Sergio, thats Luca territory

Mercedes have proposed removing the fuel-flow limit on the current engines as a way of increasing power, which is currently in the region of 850-900bhp.
But Red Bull believe this would force a major redesign that would be too expensive for the other manufacturers, especially their supplier Renault.
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Too expensive to increase fuel flow???? A bigger fuel tank is a major redesign???

What about changing the whole engine to a V8 or V10 to save costs, there are still some idiots who believed Horner

Red Bull have proposed a freeze on the hybrid aspects of the engines with development limited only to the top half of the engine - cylinder head, valves and so on

Red Bull proposing a DEVELOPMENT FREEZE

[racechick]

Well, well, well !!! What a turnabout. So all the talk of Mercedes stifling competition was bullpoo. Horner now wants a freeze. No vested interest in all he's been saying there then

[Hammer278]

[CookinFlat6]

But OB, that doesnt make any sense, Bernie hated the engines from the start, he told us he never wanted them, surely it would have been easier to prevent them happening than to change them now. If he couldnt prevent their introduction, why would anyone believe for a minute he has the power to suddenly scrap them in January if the engine makers+some teams+FIA dont want to vote the same way?

Yes he did warn the teams and the FIA that the new engines were a bad idea at the beginning. Now it seems that he has proven to be right and has also reclaimed his position as CEO. It looks like Bernie has used the 'give 'em enough rope and they will hang themselves' routine to good effect. We will see in January how Bernie plays his next card.

I believe that's what overboost meant! That Honda doesn't have a problem with having open competition within the season.
There is only one engine manufacturer that doesn't want the freeze lifted, Mercedes.

Yes, they got it right, the first time! Bully for them.

I think it's time they dig their feet out of the sand and accept that "true" competition can't exist in these circumstances.

That's right sagi.

Honda realizes that they don't want to win a championship only to have it tarnished or lessened by rules that prevented the other teams from competing to their fullest.

Honda, Ferrari and Renault are of the same view on open competition.

Talking about pulling things out of Horners bottom and sell it without thinking

[What's Burning?]

Idiots, fools, blind, sheep, bitter, losers too stupid to be embarrassed by the crap they've spewed. But hey, everyone's allowed an opinion.