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[sagi58]

or she will say 'whats the difference between the 2 options again?'

Looks like the two of you have decided how I should think.
Have fun with that!!

[sagi58]

They are free to compete Overboost. It goes like this............., build a car within the rules and put a driver in the car, now race it fast. The one that gets to the end first wins. Mercedes And their driver Lewis Hamilton did that, so they won. Simples.

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. What if there was no engine freeze in 2014? is the scenario.

Thanks.

If there were no engine freeze the result would be the same. It took Mercedes two years to develop the engine. ferrari and Renault screwed up. What makes you think they'd suddenly get it all right in a few months if the freeze was lifted? And what of Mercedes? You think they'd just stand still?

Right, so why are we being denied this competition? I would have loved to see some real competition this season and maybe the results wouldn't have been the same - Red Bull especially with some extra power in the second half would have put up quite a fight imo. Remember back to 2009, there was a fightback in the second half as the other teams clawed back the Brawn advantage.

Bring the competition in 2015 and STFU. Because if you can't fix the engine knowing the mistakes made and having an entire year to fix it by changing up to 48% of engine components and having three separate winter tests to put thousands of kilometers on the engines to fine tune them, then you don't belong in the sport as an engine builder...

An "entire" year? Let's see, the season finished at the end of November... next is December... January... and February...
Three months. uh-huh...

Mind you, Mercedes had it right. Don't worry about doing well for the first few years, spend all your track time during races to develop bits and pieces with the inimitable Schumi to test things for you, accumulate, analyze and use all that data to design and build a hybrid engine, whilst the other teams are busy trying to race to the two titles, using engines that would soon be outlawed in F1.

[What's Burning?]

They are free to compete Overboost. It goes like this............., build a car within the rules and put a driver in the car, now race it fast. The one that gets to the end first wins. Mercedes And their driver Lewis Hamilton did that, so they won. Simples.

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. What if there was no engine freeze in 2014? is the scenario.

Thanks.

If there were no engine freeze the result would be the same. It took Mercedes two years to develop the engine. ferrari and Renault screwed up. What makes you think they'd suddenly get it all right in a few months if the freeze was lifted? And what of Mercedes? You think they'd just stand still?

Right, so why are we being denied this competition? I would have loved to see some real competition this season and maybe the results wouldn't have been the same - Red Bull especially with some extra power in the second half would have put up quite a fight imo. Remember back to 2009, there was a fightback in the second half as the other teams clawed back the Brawn advantage.

Bring the competition in 2015 and STFU. Because if you can't fix the engine knowing the mistakes made and having an entire year to fix it by changing up to 48% of engine components and having three separate winter tests to put thousands of kilometers on the engines to fine tune them, then you don't belong in the sport as an engine builder...

An "entire" year? Let's see, the season finished at the end of November... next is December... January... and February...
Three months. uh-huh...

Mind you, Mercedes had it right. Don't worry about doing well for the first few years, spend all your track time during races to develop bits and pieces with the inimitable Schumi to test things for you, accumulate, analyze and use all that data to design and build a hybrid engine, whilst the other teams are busy trying to race to the two titles, using engines that would soon be outlawed in F1.

That's the most uninformed thing that's ever been said on this forum. Ever. I'm actually embarrassed for you.

[sagi58]

They are free to compete Overboost. It goes like this............., build a car within the rules and put a driver in the car, now race it fast. The one that gets to the end first wins. Mercedes And their driver Lewis Hamilton did that, so they won. Simples.

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. What if there was no engine freeze in 2014? is the scenario.

Thanks.

If there were no engine freeze the result would be the same. It took Mercedes two years to develop the engine. ferrari and Renault screwed up. What makes you think they'd suddenly get it all right in a few months if the freeze was lifted? And what of Mercedes? You think they'd just stand still?

Right, so why are we being denied this competition? I would have loved to see some real competition this season and maybe the results wouldn't have been the same - Red Bull especially with some extra power in the second half would have put up quite a fight imo. Remember back to 2009, there was a fightback in the second half as the other teams clawed back the Brawn advantage.

Bring the competition in 2015 and STFU. Because if you can't fix the engine knowing the mistakes made and having an entire year to fix it by changing up to 48% of engine components and having three separate winter tests to put thousands of kilometers on the engines to fine tune them, then you don't belong in the sport as an engine builder...

An "entire" year? Let's see, the season finished at the end of November... next is December... January... and February...
Three months. uh-huh...

Mind you, Mercedes had it right. Don't worry about doing well for the first few years, spend all your track time during races to develop bits and pieces with the inimitable Schumi to test things for you, accumulate, analyze and use all that data to design and build a hybrid engine, whilst the other teams are busy trying to race to the two titles, using engines that would soon be outlawed in F1.

That's the most uninformed thing that's ever been said on this forum. Ever. I'm actually embarrassed for you.

Just trying to keep up!!

[overboost]

Bring the competition in 2015 and STFU. Because if you can't fix the engine knowing the mistakes made and having an entire year to fix it by changing up to 48% of engine components and having three separate winter tests to put thousands of kilometers on the engines to fine tune them, then you don't belong in the sport as an engine builder. Why are you even still talking about it, it's over it's past, Mercedes won, Hamilton won, it's done, let's talk about your team doing next year what they should have been doing over the last four years and stop the incessant whining.

Bring the competition .... ? Do you think I own a race team? You are in an internet racing forum not an engine factory.

Yes only 48%, that's the issue isn't it. I don't think that the author's of the regulations had intended to create a two-tier racing environment which has dulled the racing product and has diminished championships in value. But that was the fallout.

Continuing this to 2016 will be tough on F1 which has already endured a tough year economically and popularity wise. I would expect a solution to be found when the veto is over. It won't be forgotten that Mercedes went back on their word so they could have a rough ride from the others.

People talk about it because it is an issue! Are you that isolated from reality. There was more talk about the engine problem this year than the championships!

[Hammer278]

Mind you, Mercedes had it right. Don't worry about doing well for the first few years, spend all your track time during races to develop bits and pieces with the inimitable Schumi to test things for you, accumulate, analyze and use all that data to design and build a hybrid engine, whilst the other teams are busy trying to race to the two titles, using engines that would soon be outlawed in F1.

FULLY agreed, no other driver could've made Mercedes go so backwards in a race while chewing up its own tyres like rabid dogs.

[CookinFlat6]

They are free to compete Overboost. It goes like this............., build a car within the rules and put a driver in the car, now race it fast. The one that gets to the end first wins. Mercedes And their driver Lewis Hamilton did that, so they won. Simples.

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. What if there was no engine freeze in 2014? is the scenario.

Thanks.

If there were no engine freeze the result would be the same. It took Mercedes two years to develop the engine. ferrari and Renault screwed up. What makes you think they'd suddenly get it all right in a few months if the freeze was lifted? And what of Mercedes? You think they'd just stand still?

Right, so why are we being denied this competition? I would have loved to see some real competition this season and maybe the results wouldn't have been the same - Red Bull especially with some extra power in the second half would have put up quite a fight imo. Remember back to 2009, there was a fightback in the second half as the other teams clawed back the Brawn advantage.

Bring the competition in 2015 and STFU. Because if you can't fix the engine knowing the mistakes made and having an entire year to fix it by changing up to 48% of engine components and having three separate winter tests to put thousands of kilometers on the engines to fine tune them, then you don't belong in the sport as an engine builder...

An "entire" year? Let's see, the season finished at the end of November... next is December... January... and February...
Three months. uh-huh...

Mind you, Mercedes had it right. Don't worry about doing well for the first few years, spend all your track time during races to develop bits and pieces with the inimitable Schumi to test things for you, accumulate, analyze and use all that data to design and build a hybrid engine, whilst the other teams are busy trying to race to the two titles, using engines that would soon be outlawed in F1.

That's the most uninformed thing that's ever been said on this forum. Ever. I'm actually embarrassed for you.

It's a perfect storm called the mea culpa triangle - sagi is like a theoretical model of what happens when a mind unable to distinguish reality from fantasy and doesn't understand what or when to say things and can't follow what others say

The mea culpa triangle lounge is an incubator for these 'closed loop' anti reason apology generators
With equally ignorant reinforcement from ob Roth and spanky

you hit the hail on the head Sagi

Sagi and Ob are still complaining about 2014 and they think the freeze means engine development is for 3 months only

[What's Burning?]

With the amount of information about the sport that's referenced and discussed in our forum, someone wanting to learn about F1 could in a year's time be more knowledgeable than the majority of talking heads on TV.

Yet according to Sagi, mercedes developed engine bits over the years that Schumacher help test for them. Turbo V6 PU bits, tested in V8s. Think about that statement for a second. But wait, there's more. So again according go Sagi, engine manufacturers sit on their hands 9 months out of the year and are only allowed to develop their PU during the winter testing. December, January and February and they sit on their hands for the next 9 months again. It's a statement that one would find funny if it wasn't so blatantly ignorant. But ignorance doesn't seem to prevent our Ferrari fan amongst Ferrari fans from forming a very fiercely defended opinion on the subject of engine development.

Sadder still when the champion amongst champions of Ferrari fans had gone out of his way (out of pure embarrassment) to correct her on those very same foolishly ignorant comments in the midst of our epic 2014 engine discussion in which he responded to in the Mia Cuckooria Lounge. Thankfully I've been excommunicated now but it's all there, in the place where reality bears little importance upon the formation of opinions that laugh in the face of logic and nothing bad can ever be spoken

Ladies and gentlemen of this forum, believe we need to try harder as a collective. It takes a village to stamp out ignorance and I shudder to think of what a new or potential member would think of our little F1 slice of the Internet should they come across a bizzare other worldly comment as the one Sagi made.

So for the very last time Sagi. You're afforded the right to your own opinion but you will not be affirded the right to ignorant opinions.

[CookinFlat6]

Ms developed the 2014 engine and no matter how many times the facts are explained she doesn't understand and continues to make the same mistake and base her views on this mistake

And she thinks the V8s will be brought back for 2015 and the 2014 results will be amended according to a what if scenario where the engines had no freeze

Oh, and she thinks competition is only between drivers in different cars but doesn't understand what a spec series means as she wants unlimited development

And her head teacher about f1 believes ice engines are the future and will remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere while they are emitting carbon monoxide thru the exhaust, and electric cars are worse for the planet than petrol engines

It's a perfect Mea Culpa triangle lounge

[Ichabod]

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[CookinFlat6]

We need to post this in the Mea Culperia Triangle Lounge

Mea culpa is a Latin phrase that translates into English as "my fault". It can be used to let others know you have made a mistake. Making mistakes is not always avoidable, but one can always respond to their mistakes once they are realized.

"mea culpa, mea culpa, mea máxima culpa." – You don't need to beat yourself up when you make a mistake
Often the ability to admit that one was in the wrong can very quickly lead to productivity. It is expected that any person will make a mistake once in a while, but it is essential that a person be able to realize, accept, and do their best to remedy their errors once realized or pointed out.

This can help alleviate guilt and distrust within the group and helps to foster a more collaborative environment.

How to notice a mistake
The first step in recognizing and repairing a mistake is realizing you made one. Below are some signs that you may have made a mistake:

People are telling you that you have made a mistake.
You have a feeling that you have done something wrong; please trust your instincts on this matter.

How to check for mistakes
Ask others "have I made a mistake"?
Ask other people how they might solve particular situations better.
Have people check your work on a regular basis, to make sure you're not going off-track.

Entry and exit stratagems
If you are caught in a situation where you don't know what to do, solicit advice from others, and follow it!

In summary, be prepared to exit as gracefully as possible, and have that preparation done before you even go into any particular situation.

"Know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run."

Attract assumptions of good faith
The way you behave can help a lot in how people accept your behavior. Being graceful, asking for advice, and showing that you are listening to people can go a long way to attracting an assumption of good faith.

Oddly, by being prepared to walk away, for some reason people will actually be more likely to accept your ideas. Possibly this has to do with the fact that you are more relaxed, and can think more clearly (and thus argue more clearly for your position).

How to react well to your mistake
When reacting to your mistake it may be best to start by assessing the damage. Ask yourself what damage has been caused:

Have you offended someone, or otherwise treated someone unfairly?
Have you damaged something?
Have you prolonged a dispute?

Debriefing
Figure out what went wrong
Figure out why it went wrong
Figure out ways to prevent things from going wrong in future
Learn from the above
Say sorry for what you did wrong
Be glad about what you did right
Write down what you learned. (Anyone may write an essay, "if it ain't written down it never happened")

[LRW]

Ive got a project manager at work, that I might print that off for.

[CookinFlat6]

Make sure you dont stick it up in public for him, because when you burn the arse of a guy cant admit mistakes - then you are on his sh!t list for sure

[Hammer278]

Make sure you dont stick it up in public for him, because when you burn the arse of a guy cant admit mistakes - then you are on his sh!t list for sure

I'd advise him to send that to all the employees in the firm while copying his project manager.

[LRW]

Ive already told the guy his apologies are meaningless to me, as they are so frequent - and just followed by another f*ck up.