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Exactly MS was the last one to do so, yet OD places MS and Lewis along with Seb, Button who have only won in a 2 sec car in one team.

MS as far as I am concerned has achieved the feat of winning a WDC with 2 different teams and is therefore proven to be a real champion and not a 2sec car lucky place lucky time champion,. However when it comes to the other 4 in row at Ferrari with all the extra help - those mean next to zero as far as I am concerned- They have not a single bearing on how great i think he is

And any driver, no matter how great he is and no matter how good I think he is is not and will never be immune of being slagged of when his misdemeanours are being discussed

F1 is a waste for blind hero worship and teenage angst and pop idol swooning

i will try and warn you before hand next time I rip into your idols and cherished memories, but I cant guarantee this each time

Oh the irony!

[CookinFlat6]

And OB finally reveals his true calling

- the one line post bandit

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And OB finally reveals his true calling

- the one line post bandit

Says cookiflat6 in a one line post.

Nice change of subject OB, that helps confirm to any one interested the level of effort you put into your increasingly worthless links or 'research'

So before we move on to your next Mea Culpa (assuming you were man enough to actually have one like people like sagi did at one timor other)

Whats Golf top earners in 2014 got to do with your previous claim that Tiger 'destroyed' 2billion of share value, beyond the normal meaningless random fluctuations in the stock price during a cycle of stagnation? Strawman

next going back to the focus - just to conclude it, you said Merc could get a cheaper driver to drive the W05 or W06 to a Wdc, and it was pointed out to you that a driver like Lewis almost uniquely on the grid was worth several times his pay for the marketing reach and asociation he brought - along the lines of the ground breaking tiger - to which you went of on your strawman detour - which we have shown to mean sweet FA -'destroyed market value?' thats the kind of crap only academics come up with to be lapped up by certain people
No investors or serious people gives a sh!t about Tiger doing whatever he did beyond a few rednecks who have about as much impact on the long term value as you do on fans of the current world champion

You are barely even a mild irritant in the scheme of things, but to be fair that makes you a very important part of the membership

So forget the lewis is not worth the money cos his car is so good, even max Chilton could win in that car - but max aint in that car, and he aint in that car because he aint got the followers and fans Lewis has. The type that includes a subset of diehards who beat the facts, the bigotry and lies of his critics like Ike beat Tina

First of all cooking it is not my claim that Tiger Woods destroyed that money it was the Wall Street Journal so please take your 'strawman' ideas up with them. And it was $12 Billion he destroyed not $2B as you mentioned in your post.

Also I had posted the 2014 top endorsers list to point out to you that it was not a 2009 'blip' but more like a five year ordeal.

And yes I was trying to do you a favour in going back to the original point of discussion and away from your Tiger Woods ramblings as Tiger isn't really a person anyone would use nowadays to hold up as a good example. But if you want to then go ahead, but it seems to me to be counter to your agenda.

So, if I understand what you are now saying correctly, is that most any driver could have won the wdc in the W05 and that Hamilton was never hired in the first place for his talent but more for his PR/followers. Is that pretty much your position? Do you have anything to back that second point??

ps. I haven't asked if Lewis was worth the money but rather pointed out that Mercedes with their all conquering car could save money by hiring a lower paid driver.

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But Overboost Mercedes sell class cars. They want the best driver not any old driver . And what with Ferrari and Renault working hard on next years engine they need to be ready for the potential competition, so they need Lewis

[CookinFlat6]

First of all cooking it is not my claim that Tiger Woods destroyed that money it was the Wall Street Journal so please take your 'strawman' ideas up with them. And it was $12 Billion he destroyed not $2B as you mentioned in your post.

It was your opinion that this study done by a couple of Uni students/researchers and used in an article by WSj demonstrate that there is correlation between a sportsman like tiger or lewis and the atrractiveness to companies for marketing, because 'tiger destroyed blahblah' like tiger and lewis are exactly the same because they look the same?
Anyway as pointed out to you in detail, the academics refferingto destroying share value is of zero interest to the shareholders, the price of the shares dipped a bit after the tiger incident as they all took a step back, but a couple of weeks later its back to its usual moves or down on ANYTHING else that causes investors to take a step back
So nothing was destroyed no value was lost, nothing at all beyond the usual ups and downs on any bit of news
so your link was

Also I had posted the 2014 top endorsers list to point out to you that it was not a 2009 'blip' but more like a five year ordeal.

Again you use data you dont understand - Lewis NOw has an appeal to big firms, as did Tiger, you are implying that 5 years later it might not be the case??
Who cares about 5 years form now? Merc? Coca Cola? a few stupid and dumb rednecks pretending to be F1 fans? so more

And yes I was trying to do you a favour in going back to the original point of discussion and away from your Tiger Woods ramblings as Tiger isn't really a person anyone would use nowadays to hold up as a good example. But if you want to then go ahead, but it seems to me to be counter to your agenda.

Tiger introduced golf to a wider paying audience, thats hwhat Merc want, and is what they are getting - apart from the F1 supporting rednecks who dont support anything but diss-support lewis (always to 'balance' things) who cling on to straw, so Merc will think Lewis is bound to shag his babysitter in 5 years and so must be sacked now
Like Tiger is the only one caught doing this in the golf or other sports - nope, but is the one the redneck F1 supporters foam at the mouth about -' how dare he'

So, if I understand what you are now saying correctly, is that most any driver could have won the wdc in the W05 and that Hamilton was never hired in the first place for his talent but more for his PR/followers. Is that pretty much your position? Do you have anything to back that second point??

Lewis was hired because he is WDC from 2008, the other drivers you mentioned, did you check if they had WDCs? bet you didnt, cos you are not able to think about whatyou are trying to say, all you do is feel hate and indignation. But like a baboon who has lost his ball and is unable to work out where it went some F1 fans have a lot to express and a lot to add, but they just cant seem able to find the words or the numbers

ps. I haven't asked if Lewis was worth the money but rather pointed out that Mercedes with their all conquering car could save money by hiring a lower paid driver.

How would they save money if they sell less cars? It is hard to think about sports and business at the same time, easier to do one at a time for some F1 fans. I am not sure you will ever get this, but here goes, rednecks wearing singlets and after a few budweisers would get this, so maybe you can try and use pictures - a driver has to be paid - if people like him - they buy things he is seen with - so If a company sells more cars and make more money - then they prefer to make money than less

So lewis is not only fast, but he gets paid because he is good for business, and the best thing is that no matter how much abuse guys with your 'frustrations' think up from your sofas, Merc aint gonna think 'billybOB' aint gonna like seeing this guy win the title, its gonna burn him up, but we dont really want a wife beating slob like him driving our cars anyways

[sagi58]

Due to your memory loss, I asked you for clarification on your condition, not claimed you were in any condition. A question is not an insult.

Although in some cases it can be argued that an intent to insult was the motivation for a question.

e.g. If I ask 'are you stupid?' thats a question, if I said 'you are stupid' thats an insult...

In fact, since it is a rhetorical question (i.e., it is asked without the expectation of an answer), it is insulting.

If you still aren't convinced, try this: Would you pose that "question" to your significant other?
Your parents? Your boss? If not, it's probably because you know it's insulting.

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cooking, Hamilton doesn't really do that well on endorsements (selling companies stuff) relatively speaking, maybe he is seen as a rather polarizing figure, who knows. He makes his $ from racing.

Lewis is earning only about $3M per year in endorsements, which is about 10% of his salary and is relatively low in comparison to other sports celebs. Danica for example hauls in about $6.5M about 50% of her total annual earnings of $12.9M and she has never won anything! And Tiger back in 2009 was earning 90% of his $120M! income from endorsements, there is no comparison to Lewis to be made there. He just doesn't rate.

I am not really seeing your argument that he was hired mainly for his image to sell mercs if at all. Merc wants their car to win championships, that is what helps sell their cars. The "W05LD CHAMPION" as per their F1 Team website. German engineering.

As for present day fyi, Tiger was listed as the leading endorsement disaster in this article.

"Tiger Woods saw $22 million walk out the door after his habit of not being able to stay away from ladies who weren't his wife was exposed."

He lost more endorsement $ in one day than Lewis might earn in his whole racing career. Wow.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/8-celebri ... 35313.html

Ps. And what are you going on about regarding the WSJ article? It was about Tiger Woods stock market debacle. It had no mention of LH nor how he looks like Tiger Woods? Are you completely losing it?

It was your opinion that this study done by a couple of Uni students/researchers and used in an article by WSj demonstrate that there is correlation between a sportsman like tiger or lewis and the atrractiveness to companies for marketing, because 'tiger destroyed blahblah' like tiger and lewis are exactly the same because they look the same?

[sagi58]

...So these fakers win multi WDCS as they get lucky and are attractive enought to house wifes and hairdressers to sell some drinks or whatever and the farce is maintained till an actually talnted driver comnes along ...

WoW! That's a pretty desperate attempt at building up your favourite driver!!
I googled a list of all the WDCs you've just insulted! WoW!

[CookinFlat6]

As for present day fyi, Tiger was listed as the leading endorsement disaster in this article.

"Tiger Woods saw $22 million walk out the door after his habit of not being able to stay away from ladies who weren't his wife was exposed."

He lost more endorsement $ in one day than Lewis might earn in his whole racing career. Wow.

I am getting sick of explaining the same things to you over and over - having a discussion isnt about pulling some data from somewhere and then diverting from the topic to talk absolute nonsense about it

I am gonna leave you with this one

Tiger saw $22 million walk out the door of his personal endorsements - PERSONAL ENDORSEMENTS what has that got to do with Mercedes getting a cheaper driver, or Tiger wiping some theoretical value of his sponsors companies?

NOTHING - you havent got a scoobie doo. I can get more useful feedback discussing with my chess computer, I am sure some of your 'I can typing' friends are around to mea culpa with

[CookinFlat6]

Due to your memory loss, I asked you for clarification on your condition, not claimed you were in any condition. A question is not an insult.

Although in some cases it can be argued that an intent to insult was the motivation for a question.

e.g. If I ask 'are you stupid?' thats a question, if I said 'you are stupid' thats an insult...

In fact, since it is a rhetorical question (i.e., it is asked without the expectation of an answer), it is insulting.

If you still aren't convinced, try this: Would you pose that "question" to your significant other?
Your parents? Your boss? If not, it's probably because you know it's insulting.

Well done sagi, good speech etc, except you are arguing with yourself again

You may not have noticed, NO ONE asked OB if he was stupid, as i pointed out, it would only be an insult if he was stupid, and so i didnt want to insult him. Now for you to point out what I also pointed out means I definitely shouldn't ask you that question as it would be redundant

[sagi58]

Due to your memory loss, I asked you for clarification on your condition, not claimed you were in any condition. A question is not an insult.

Although in some cases it can be argued that an intent to insult was the motivation for a question.

e.g. If I ask 'are you stupid?' thats a question, if I said 'you are stupid' thats an insult...

In fact, since it is a rhetorical question (i.e., it is asked without the expectation of an answer), it is insulting.

If you still aren't convinced, try this: Would you pose that "question" to your significant other?
Your parents? Your boss? If not, it's probably because you know it's insulting.

Well done sagi, good speech etc, except you are arguing with yourself again

You may not have noticed, NO ONE asked OB if he was stupid, as i pointed out, it would only be an insult if he was stupid, and so i didnt want to insult him. Now for you to point out what I also pointed out means I definitely shouldn't ask you that question as it would be redundant

Thanks; but, my comprehension isn't in question here. It's your wording of an insult and the purposeful misuse of punctuation to take the burn off the phrase.

And, you can ask me that question all you like, without offending me, because I always consider the source!!

[CookinFlat6]

In fact, since it is a rhetorical question (i.e., it is asked without the expectation of an answer), it is insulting.

If you still aren't convinced, try this: Would you pose that "question" to your significant other?
Your parents? Your boss? If not, it's probably because you know it's insulting.

Thanks; but, my comprehension isn't in question here. It's your wording of an insult and the purposeful misuse of punctuation to take the burn off the phrase.
And, you can ask me that question all you like, without offending me, because I always consider the source!!

So in sagiland today, certain questions are insulting because everyone would find them insulting - that makes them insulting, except to sagi, because she wouldnt be insulted
Mea Culpa?

[sagi58]

In fact, since it is a rhetorical question (i.e., it is asked without the expectation of an answer), it is insulting.

If you still aren't convinced, try this: Would you pose that "question" to your significant other?
Your parents? Your boss? If not, it's probably because you know it's insulting.

Thanks; but, my comprehension isn't in question here. It's your wording of an insult and the purposeful misuse of punctuation to take the burn off the phrase.
And, you can ask me that question all you like, without offending me, because I always consider the source!!

So in sagiland today, certain questions are insulting because everyone would find them insulting - that makes them insulting, except to sagi, because she wouldnt be insulted
Mea Culpa?

Are your knickers in a knot?

For clarification: I wouldn't be insulted because luckily for me, I'm NOT your significant other, your parent nor your boss.
In other words, since I consider the source (you) and its lack of importance in my life, I wouldn't care enough to be insulted.

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As for present day fyi, Tiger was listed as the leading endorsement disaster in this article.

"Tiger Woods saw $22 million walk out the door after his habit of not being able to stay away from ladies who weren't his wife was exposed."

He lost more endorsement $ in one day than Lewis might earn in his whole racing career. Wow.

I am getting sick of explaining the same things to you over and over - having a discussion isnt about pulling some data from somewhere and then diverting from the topic to talk absolute nonsense about it

I am gonna leave you with this one

Tiger saw $22 million walk out the door of his personal endorsements - PERSONAL ENDORSEMENTS what has that got to do with Mercedes getting a cheaper driver, or Tiger wiping some theoretical value of his sponsors companies?

NOTHING - you havent got a scoobie doo. I can get more useful feedback discussing with my chess computer, I am sure some of your 'I can typing' friends are around to mea culpa with

Diverting the topic?

Cooking, you are the one who brought Tiger Woods marketing appeal into this discussion and won't let it go. And then claim, without anything to support it, that this same Tiger like appeal is why Mercedes has hired Lewis!

It is Tiger's marketing appeal that creates his endorsements. Lewis pales in comparison but yet it is your theory that Lewis's only value over a lesser paid driver is this Tiger like appeal.

Can you understand this simple explanation?

And what of your claim that Lewis makes 16x his salary, $480M, for Merc by just wearing a Merc cap? Is this something your chess computer made up? If this were the case I think Lewis should be asking for alot more money!

I will leave it with you.

In the mean time maybe it would be wise if you spend more time with your chess computer and less time in places like this where you will get real feedback on your off the wall statements.

[CookinFlat6]

Cooking, you are the one who brought Tiger Woods marketing appeal into this discussion and won't let it go. And then claim, without anything to support it, that this same Tiger like appeal is why Mercedes has hired Lewis!
It is Tiger's marketing appeal that creates his endorsements. Lewis pales in comparison but yet it is your theory that Lewis's only value over a lesser paid driver is this Tiger like appeal.

As you have made an effort to continue the discussion with some logical thought alas lacking intelligence, I will reply to put you out of your misery

Alonso and lewis are the highest paid drivers because they are the best drivers. Now even if the car was 5 seconds better than the rest and the tea lady could drive it, winner brands winner companies still want these 'star' drivers becasue of the marketing appeal of associating with the best.
So your suggestion that Merc save money by employing a driver who is not the proven best, doent have a WDC and doesnt have marketing appeal is complete (which would be why Merc are winners and you dont even understand a stock market)

And what of your claim that Lewis makes 16x his salary, $480M, for Merc by just wearing a Merc cap? Is this something your chess computer made up? If this were the case I think Lewis should be asking for alot more money!

“That was really awesome,” Toto Wolff told reporters.
“These are the Lewis Hamilton days. These are the days when you recognise how great he is and it makes the difference between the superstars and the stars.”
Niki Lauda, Mercedes’ non-executive chairman, meanwhile told Sky Sports F1: “He’s worth his money I can tell you that!

And what of your claim that Lewis makes 16x his salary, $480M, for Merc by just wearing a Merc cap? Is this something your chess computer made up? If this were the case I think Lewis should be asking for alot more money!

Mercedes Benz dealerships across the UK will be looking to capitalise on Lewis Hamilton’s F1 world championship title with increases sales.
The Brit driver secured the F1 title at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix yesterday finishing first ahead of Williams’ Felipe Massa. More importantly, though, title rival Nico Rosberg finished 16th after limping home with engine problems.
A spokesman for Mercedes said celebratory banners will now be displayed in Mercedes dealerships across the country while the F1 WO5 championship winning car will tour the country’s showrooms too.
According to the BBC it takes Mercedes just three-and-a-half hours to recover Hamilton’s £19.3m basic annual salary through sales revenue.

And what of your claim that Lewis makes 16x his salary, $480M, for Merc by just wearing a Merc cap? Is this something your chess computer made up? If this were the case I think Lewis should be asking for alot more money!

It would take Mercedes around three and a half hours to recover Hamilton's £19.3m basic salary from the company's annual sales revenues.

And what of your claim that Lewis makes 16x his salary, $480M, for Merc by just wearing a Merc cap? Is this something your chess computer made up? If this were the case I think Lewis should be asking for alot more money!

Revenue also increased to a new record level, rising by 4% to €64.3 billion.

By Ian Parkes, PA Sport

Lewis Hamilton’s phenomenal rookie year in Formula One is expected to have a major impact on the financial health of British motor sport.A leading sports finance expert believes Hamilton could spark a boom period after a recent lull due to the lack of a successful local hero in Formula One in recent years.Although Hamilton failed to win yesterday’s British Grand Prix at Silverstone, the 22-year-old still finished third for his ninth successive podium of the season, wowing the crowds in the process.

A record 42,000 fans attended on Friday, followed by a Saturday best of 80,000, with race day an 85,000 sell-out.

ITV viewing figures are also significantly up this year, with 7.7 million watching last month’s United States Grand Prix, compared to 5.4 million in 2006.


“Broadcasters and corporates will compete to be associated with such a potentially attractive global sporting icon.

As far as the bigger picture is concerned, the question of whether Formula One participation results in the sale of more Mercedes cars is, as ever, virtually impossible to answer. Daimler, Mercedes’ parent company, appears in rude financial health, however. Net profits were up from €6.8 billion in 2012 to €8.7 billion in 2013. Global sales also rose from 2.2 million in 2012 to 2.35 million in 2013. How much of that can be attributed to the likes of Hamilton and Rosberg is up for debate, but Mercedes is confident enough to have signed up to the sport, after some of the usual Formula One political shenanigans, until 2020.

Every single one of your butthurt irritations, has received a comprehensive comeback


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