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[What's Burning?]

Excellent read, long so I know some people will be instantly put off by that but anyone that wants to learn a bit about the history and the current (dire straits) situation should read on.

Is this the end of F1?

[CookinFlat6]

Very timely read for those who dont know some of its details, You are right that the average fan quick to b!tch about support or engine freeze or romance about a failing team would obviously not be able to complete the article or even understand the part they read before getting restless, but it would be alarming if any serious f1 fan didnt know already about the events in the articles of the last decade and why we are here.

For those who do know a bit already the article is a bit too biased toward Max' clever plan, missing out that he tried to introduce the idea of a staggered cap where a team could opt for a cap and get benefits in softer regulations etc vs a big team spending what they wanted but with more restrictions, and tried to introduce it in a way that he would have the power over all the teams and would have them all kissing his arse for an individual agreement of what they could do etc.

Also it dosnt even mention Fota which was a credible first attempt by the top teams themselves to deal with the spending issue, although it was torpedoed by snitches and grasses bribed by the FOM. Also the biggest event, the deal to cap expenditure at 40mill which attracted a raft of entrants, who like Richard Branson ran for the door when they saw what a shambles the whole organisation is, leaving 4 new teams plus publically owned Williams and mid teams like Sauber and Lotus who also thought 40 mill cap was real. Adam Parr of Williams took on the liars who ripped up this 40 mill idea the minute Ferrari and RBR flaunted it with complete impunity and Adam Parr was forced to resign from Williams and noone else complained. So the big boys left leaving those bribed to stay like RBR who suddenly sttarted winning, Ferrari who had had the nerve to actually complain, etc etc
That whole period between the big manufacturers leaving and the RBR aero era till 2014 has been an incredible story of sheer corruption, theft, bribery, blackmail, coercion

Good thing is Bernies 70% ( these teams deserve to be shafted if they were so dumb to give a failed TP 70% to go and talk to tv companies on their behalf) is now about 40% and likely to go down more if F1 is to see any new teams etc

[myownalias]

A very interesting read indeed, F1 has become much like America, the top teams get most of the money and power, while the rest of us struggle to make it month to month. Unfortunately as long as Ecclestone is in charge, I don't see anything changing and we know that he will never step down voluntarily!

[Hammer278]

A very interesting read indeed, F1 has become much like America, the top teams get most of the money and power, while the rest of us struggle to make it month to month. Unfortunately as long as Ecclestone is in charge, I don't see anything changing and we know that he will never step down voluntarily!

Do you think that happens only in America?

[myownalias]

A very interesting read indeed, F1 has become much like America, the top teams get most of the money and power, while the rest of us struggle to make it month to month. Unfortunately as long as Ecclestone is in charge, I don't see anything changing and we know that he will never step down voluntarily!

Do you think that happens only in America?

It's certainly more prevalent in the US; or maybe I should say more blatant in the US!

[racechick]

Great read. but a little in favour of Mosely , what about all the corruption he was inviolved in? that wasnt mentioned. what a mess. and every time right in the middle looking after their own interests is Ferrari. Ferrari, Ferrari, Ferrari. and now they sack the boss who isn't corrupt enough. Todt! what a hypocrite!

There has to be an imposed limit in my opinion. The money from Bernie has to be shared equally, with maybe a smaller pot dished out as prize money for position. And Bernie has to stop raping the sport.
Those three things have to happen.
But its gone too far. its too corrupt, people involved are all full of self interest and cant see the wood for the trees.
Bernie has to die , all his corrupt little deals and allegencies get recinded and a proper business plan put forward under a proper business man. and while they're at it they can sort out the rules and the stewards.

Whitmarsh was only mentioned briefly in that article. and he was put forward as the guy who was forecasting doom if nothing was done. well as i mentioned somewhere else, it was him that wrecked the FOTA deal by getting in bed with Horner. I know this because Adam Parr wrote a book . i havent read this book, id like to, but Ive seen the relevant part quoted on another forum by someone who has read it. I'll see if i can dig it out.

[racechick]

This is the reference I was looking for. It's taken from a book written by Alan Parr called ' The art of war'

As I say, I haven't read the book , I'm reposting the observations of someone else, but I think it's of interest..........


"Since the Singapore agreement (resource restrictions) had been signed earlier in 2010 FOTA's secretary general Simone Perillo, had been putting together a more detailed agreement. The Red Bull Teams were blocking progress but we had reached a point where the other 10 teams were ready to sign up and let Red Bull do what they would. This meeting was crucial, FOTA needed to present the Red Bull Teams with an ultimatum, Sign up or everyone else will proceed without you"

Parr then goes on to explain that at the meeting, Martin Whitmarsh presents an entirely new set of principles on cost control which Whitmarsh presented to the teams as FOTA Chairman.

Parr says "I couldn't believe what I was hearing, as far as I could tell, these ideas had not been discussed with anyone other than Christian Horner. Suddenly instead of two teams being in the corner, the rest of us were now in a position where any objection would appear as if we were causing trouble"

Quoted from The Art of War Five years in Formula One by Adam Parr - Published by Adam Parr 2012

[What's Burning?]

I don't disagree about the Mosely comments, I have my own idea about why he's gloosed over but the meat and potatoes about the article was what fascinated me.

[Jabberwocky]

I always found Parr's removal a bit odd.