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#426053
He's had a tougher job the entier season, coming back from car fires and exploding brakes, coming back from questionable qualifying techniques in Monaco and questionable driving techniques in Spa. Coming back from early mechanical DNFs that hadn't caught up with his teammate yet. I don't think there's any disagreement. It's simply the way I'm viewing this. Hamilton says he's approaching this race the same way he's approached every other race this year.

Easy, hard, or sunny side up, it's no harder than other things he's already handily overcome to have a 17 point lead with one race to go. The only reason it's even being talked about is because the double points.

Nico MUST win and someone... maybe the hand of god himself has to intervene with Lewis' car. EASY!
#426054
So is it yes or no?

Everyone but Gary 'overboost' Anderson, Sagi and 'no F1 wins' McNish thinks its not true that in any way at all Lewis has a harder task next Sunday. All we want to know is that if Lewis has a harder time planning strategy and planning the big decision of whether he goes for the win or goes for second place, and this harder task of deciding to do the opposite to what he has declared he will do, and what he has always done, and what the 3 monkeys(like in the advert) all agree he has always done

then whats the relevance if Lewis wouldnt swap places with Nico?

Its like saying, 'I need to decide whether to eat because Im hungry, however if i wasnt hungry i wouldnt need to eat' therefore the guy starving cos he has no food is actually better of than me'

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


Careful now cookin, McNish would be a multiple race winner this season behind the wheel of the Merc. :wink:

Regarding Hamilton's point lead I would refer you to Hamilton's comments.

The rest of your post is about hungry monkeys, etc?? No sure what you are on about there.
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#426055
Funny how the 3 monkeys (like in the advert) see, hear or say little about Nicos big decision - does he just drive for the win or does he hang back and try and influence the outcome. But no, he just has to mindlessly drive to a definite loss by winning the race.

What kind of pressure is that for the bookish airhead beloved by those ex Seb and Button fans who also happen to be expertz in measuring psychological weakness from the radiation off their tv sets - NO PRESSURE AT ALL, absent minded professor, dean of the F1 language department is gonna just turn up happy he can only lose by coming second if nothing happens to the guy who whips him everytime he tries to do anything other than pole to flag????

Wouldn't it be fun if we could all mindlessly ignore facts and logic and still be able to look ourselves in the mirror each day, (without drugs)

Wouldnt it be good if we could wipe the slate clean every morning with a confession or a Mea Culpa and then go out and do it again
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By sagi58
#426058
It may be "easier" when one is naturally talented; but, that doesn't make the methodical person any less successful.


Well yes, it does just that. In the case of HAM vs ROS, the methodical driver is less successful. Less wins. Less points. Less successful.

At the moment, you're absolutely correct. :thumbup:
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By sagi58
#426059
It may be "easier" when one is naturally talented; but, that doesn't make the methodical person any less successful.


Well yes, it does just that. In the case of HAM vs ROS, the methodical driver is less successful. Less wins. Less points. Less successful.

:gonnagetit: It's an opinion, respect it, okay! like 5 being bigger than 15.



Well technically you could say 5 is bigger than 15.

Take the music charts. To be at position 5, you would need to sell more records than position 15. More records = bigger. So 5 CAN be bigger than 15.

Whereas Rosberg still is the less successful driver.

Ahh but you see, that's subjective. What if the five song is by Taylor Swift and the 15 song is by Cold War Kids? Next you'll be telling me that McDonalds makes the best hamburgers because they've sold billions and billions of them.

Now I'm... confused... I can sort of see it from the other side even though it's completely wrong... what... is... happening...?

You've taken the black and white glasses off and seen that the world people inhabit is not defined in absolutes. :thumbup:
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By sagi58
#426061
...Its confusing because I keep hearing from ferrari fans that this has been the worst season and that Merc are killing F1 when according to Murray Walker, Merc have produced the purest racing competition in decades...

It's only confusing if you refuse to accept that not everyone is a Hamilton / Mercedes fan.

Any competition has fans who have favourites and their experience, their pleasure will be
emotional, psychological and subjective. Period.

If you're still confused, look back and the last few years with Red Bull dominating, were you
having fun at the time? Or were you just too busy tearing down anything and everything
they accomplished in your attempt to "prove" that your team and your driver were better
and more deserving of success?

If that doesn't work, try to remember just how much fun it was for you, when Ferrari was at
the top of their game. Once again, I imagine you were too busy tearing down anything and
everything they accomplished, just because you are not a fan.

Understanding subjectivity is the key that you need to unlock the door to this little mystery!

...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30053883

By the way, the link you've posted seems not to be working, at the moment.
Maybe it's the difference in time zones? :twisted:
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By sagi58
#426062
Funny how the 3 monkeys (like in the advert) see, hear or say little about Nicos big decision - does he just drive for the win or does he hang back and try and influence the outcome. But no, he just has to mindlessly drive to a definite loss by winning the race...

...Wouldn't it be fun if we could all mindlessly ignore facts and logic and still be able to look ourselves in the mirror each day, (without drugs)

Wouldnt it be good if we could wipe the slate clean every morning with a confession or a Mea Culpa and then go out and do it again


I'm betting you don't write for Hallmark; but, please, don't ever write children's stories, either! :nono:
#426080
...Its confusing because I keep hearing from ferrari fans that this has been the worst season and that Merc are killing F1 when according to Murray Walker, Merc have produced the purest racing competition in decades...

It's only confusing if you refuse to accept that not everyone is a Hamilton / Mercedes fan.

Any competition has fans who have favourites and their experience, their pleasure will be
emotional, psychological and subjective. Period.

If you're still confused, look back and the last few years with Red Bull dominating, were you
having fun at the time? Or were you just too busy tearing down anything and everything
they accomplished in your attempt to "prove" that your team and your driver were better
and more deserving of success?

If that doesn't work, try to remember just how much fun it was for you, when Ferrari was at
the top of their game. Once again, I imagine you were too busy tearing down anything and
everything they accomplished, just because you are not a fan.

Understanding subjectivity is the key that you need to unlock the door to this little mystery!

...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30053883

By the way, the link you've posted seems not to be working, at the moment.
Maybe it's the difference in time zones? :twisted:


This season is nothing like the Red Bull domination years. The cars are able to be pushed harder, there is competition up and down the grid and the better drivers make more of a difference. It's been an exciting year with many twists and turns.

When Ferrari were at the top of their game I still had fun. I still loved F1. I loved it everytime damon or Montoya took it to Schumacher. Schumacher with his shackled team mate , Schumacher with the FIA in his teams pocket, Schumacher who , even with all the advantages he had, resorted to cheating if he couldn't win. Cheated against Damon, cheated against Villeneuve, cheated against Alonso. Every single time he was outdriven by someone without his advantages I cheered. I loved it.
#426082
Lets not forget the tag team act of Nico who spanked MS senseless and pushed him toward retirement and Lewis who opened the door and deftly avoided him as he crashed out, side stepping the once dqed cheat neatly to take his seat

Quite a class act those 2, dispatched MS and Alonso like envelopes without breaking sweat, just warming up to take each other on this year

(incase I exaggerate or even fabricate anything along the way, I will 'Mea Culpa' it away later)
#426086
...Its confusing because I keep hearing from ferrari fans that this has been the worst season and that Merc are killing F1 when according to Murray Walker, Merc have produced the purest racing competition in decades...


It has been one of Ferrari's worst ever seasons as unless half the cars break down in Abu Dhabi Ferrari wont win a race in a season for the first time since 1993! So for the first time in my life effectively I have failed to see Ferrari win a race.

So, as Ferrari fans are concerned this has been one of Ferrari's worst ever seasons.

But, the general racing has been good and the title fight has been exciting. What will make it better in 2015 is at least one red car fighting with the silver Mercs ;)
#426087

But, the general racing has been good and the title fight has been exciting. What will make it better in 2015 is at least one red car fighting with the silver Mercs ;)


So McLaren are going back to their red/white livery? :eek:
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By sagi58
#426092
Lets not forget the tag team act of Nico who spanked MS senseless and pushed him toward retirement and Lewis who opened the door and deftly avoided him as he crashed out, side stepping the once dqed cheat neatly to take his seat

Quite a class act those 2, dispatched MS and Alonso like envelopes without breaking sweat, just warming up to take each other on this year

(incase I exaggerate or even fabricate anything along the way, I will 'Mea Culpa' it away later)


That's obviously a biased and subjective recount of what happened.
What you have failed to mention is that Schumi was at Mercedes more
than long enough to help develop the car into what it is today, by your
own signature: a Monster. BOTH Hamilton and Rosberg owe him!

Predictably you will argue with that; but, that's just you being you! :wavey:
#426097
What if this is it? What if the Ferrari of lore will never be again? What if like some abandoned building the team follows the natural order of the world into entropy? It's a bit arrogant to say that a team that blew the biggest opportunity to dominate this season, a team that prides itself on making the best engines on the planet and had the luxury of designing that engine into a car no longer bound by the aero regulations that favored Red Bull, would be dominant again.

I want a strong Ferrari but that strength needs to come from hard work, the right moves and determination not because of some legacy of entitlement.
#426103
Lets not forget the tag team act of Nico who spanked MS senseless and pushed him toward retirement and Lewis who opened the door and deftly avoided him as he crashed out, side stepping the once dqed cheat neatly to take his seat

Quite a class act those 2, dispatched MS and Alonso like envelopes without breaking sweat, just warming up to take each other on this year

(incase I exaggerate or even fabricate anything along the way, I will 'Mea Culpa' it away later)


That's obviously a biased and subjective recount of what happened.
What you have failed to mention is that Schumi was at Mercedes more
than long enough to help develop the car into what it is today, by your
own signature: a Monster. BOTH Hamilton and Rosberg owe him!

Predictably you will argue with that; but, that's just you being you! :wavey:


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Excuse me Sagi...while MS was there, the car was a tyre chewing DOG. It chewed up its tyres and going backwards in 2012 and in 2013 when he had left the scene, it was still a tyre chewing DOG with more PACE. Lewis and Nico OWE MS? You must be out of your mind.

2014 is a completely new era with the new engine, new aero, different suspensions to accommodate the engines, etcetc. Nico and Lewis OWE Nico and Lewis, Ross Brawn, Costa and the engineering team, the winter testing, the illegal Barcelona test (Lol), and their feedback throughout the year in the simulators preparing for 2014s Monster. Not the Politicking Maestro who got b!tchslapped by Nico 2 years running and contributed his Bridgestone knowledge to make the W04 a tyre chewer. PLEASE know your facts, understand what you're saying before hitting post.
#426104
If Nico slapped Schumacher silly, and Lewis slaps Nico silly... what does that mean? Can we extrapolate anything from it? :twisted:

Vettel's mastery of an F1 car and Ferrari's legacy in the sport, man oh man if there's destiny in the making, it's got to happen there right?
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