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[darwin dali]

Regardless of the political debate, it will have a negative effect on F1, the three big industries that support F1 is alcohol, tobacco and oil/gas. It just ends up pushing F1 out of Europe, like any business, if a market is not profitable, you simply do your business elsewhere, so we end up with all races taking place in the UAE, Asia and the Americas. I remember not so long ago when 2/3 of the races took place in Europe, now its more like 1/3 of the races because of advertizing bans.

That's a stretch.

I don't believe so, the tobacco advertizing ban was put in place and suddenly we have half dozen races in the UAE and Asia.

Well, there's still no tobacco ads when they drive in Asia, etc., so these other venues don't have an advantage in this respect.

[stonemonkey]

It's a bit of a stretch to imagine that there's any correlation between alcohol advertising in F1 and drink driving, anyone getting into their car after a few has absolutely nothing to do with having seen johnnie walker written on the side of a racing car.

A very simple and concise statement, if I am going for a few drinks, which is rare these days, either there is a designated driver or we leave the car at home.

Most people do that too, some don't but the idea that advertising alcohol in F1 has some influence on drink driving makes about as much sense as saying vodafone advertising in F1 would have influenced people to use their mobiles while driving.

[andrew]

Alcohol advertising in F1 does not equate in any way to a rational mind to more alcohol related deaths. Cheap booze, retailers selling to already pretty pissed customers, parents not educating their kids are a lot more responsible for alcohol related deaths and illnesses than F1 advertising.

It's a bit of a stretch to imagine that there's any correlation between alcohol advertising in F1 and drink driving, anyone getting into their car after a few has absolutely nothing to do with having seen johnnie walker written on the side of a racing car.

A very simple and concise statement, if I am going for a few drinks, which is rare these days, either there is a designated driver or we leave the car at home.

Most people do that too, some don't but the idea that advertising alcohol in F1 has some influence on drink driving makes about as much sense as saying vodafone advertising in F1 would have influenced people to use their mobiles while driving.

Ultimately, if someone is going to drink and drive, they're going to drink and drive. Doesn't matter if they see alcohol advertising at an F1 event or not.

[CookinFlat6]

Without wanting to sound like a kill joy, I dont think the issue is if sensible people who would be organised enough to arrange a designated driver etc would be influenced at all.

The ugly truth that we dont want to see is that alcohol, tobacco and other drugs have been proven to not be good for anyone. Yes its hard for us to accept this but the ideal world would not sell ANY alcohol or tobacco or cocaine or cannabis. Whats the difference between Whisky and Cocaine?? - the marketing and advertising and hence the social perception that they are ok in moderation or that they are only a problem for certain people.

Yup, liquor is pretty much the same as any other drug that most people would shy away from, its just that its so deeply ingrained in our culture that we dont know this. Thats why alcohol is facing all these restrictions and bans as society trys to get control of something that is toxic to the body and actually does nothing good at all (apart from the getting drunk bit, but thats the same as weed and angel dust and heroin)

The ban on alcohol and tobacco advertising is to try and avoid young people falling into it like previous generations, and the front line shock troops for the army that caused it are the marketing and advertising bunch.

Take the Marlboro man, anyone remember that (not remember but hear about it etc) that image was banned along with sexy adverts associating tobacco and drink with healthy and NORMAL lifestyles.

I know it is a shock to the system but guess what alcohol is actually banned completely in many places round the world - IT IS NOT A GOOD THING AT ALL - those of us who enjoy it and can do so in moderation might get away with it - thats another story, but guess what, there are a growing bunch of policy makers who are of the opinion that it is irresponsible to allow any promotion of what is essentially a poison

So all this talk about nanny states and dedicated drivers is all the same as dinosaurs will be to future generations

In case it sounds outlandish - Amercia had prohibition in the 30s - banned alcohol completely - that didnt work and wouldt work with people like us who are brought up with it as a big acceptable part of our culture - but for the next generation - they could go without ever having an alcoholic drink or a smoke and guess what - they wont have missed out on anything at all - we just think its good because we have been conditioned by the advertisers who have been kicked to the curb and are making a last stand with bernie along with dictators and murderers who all find a home hosting or sponsoring F1

Whos gonna tell me Im wrong?

[andrew]

The ban on alcohol and tobacco advertising is to try and avoid young people falling into it like previous generations, and the front line shock troops for the army that caused it are the marketing and advertising bunch.

See, this is where I have issue with all this. Regardless of what is advertised where, people will still smoke and drink to excess. By hiding these products away they become kind of taboo thus increasing the attraction to a young persons mind. As I always say, the onus is on the parent to educate their kids but this seems to be an out-dated concept as why bother 'cos Europe, teahcers and Westminster are going to do it all for you(!)

[darwin dali]

You're wrong, cookie.

I genuinely enjoy a glass of Bordeaux or stout or Chartreuse or Fernet Branca, etc., and I never get drunk! One drink, very rarely a second one within a couple hours, no more. This is one of the pleasures I wouldn't want to have to give up even if I don't indulge too much.

[CookinFlat6]

The ban on alcohol and tobacco advertising is to try and avoid young people falling into it like previous generations, and the front line shock troops for the army that caused it are the marketing and advertising bunch.

See, this is where I have issue with all this. Regardless of what is advertised where, people will still smoke and drink to excess. By hiding these products away they become kind of taboo thus increasing the attraction to a young persons mind. As I always say, the onus is on the parent to educate their kids but this seems to be an out-dated concept as why bother 'cos Europe, teahcers and Westminster are going to do it all for you(!)

Unfortunately we dont live in a perfect world, if we did you would be bang on.

We live in a flawed reality where the best brought up kid in the whole world will be able to spend some time with others and have access to things. The internet probably doesnt help, but definitely not child molesting clergy and BBC protected child presenter predators and Disney movie characterisation with old men who somehow end up having the young princess at some point sitting on their laps

compared to that lot, some profiteers who are happy to think up ways of bypassing the best parents in the world to profit from the curiosity of every young person by introducing cigarretts and alcohol etc??

the real world is here and needs more attention than a textbook, academic ideal world where we know whats best for everyone IF ONLY etc etc etc

[CookinFlat6]

You're wrong, cookie.

I genuinely enjoy a glass of Bordeaux or stout or Chartreuse or Fernet Branca, etc., and I never get drunk! One drink, very rarely a second one within a couple hours, no more. This is one of the pleasures I wouldn't want to have to give up even if I don't indulge too much.

Does it improve your health?

(and dont quote the 'a glass of wine a day is good for you' because I would have to dig out the advertising agency that came up with that one )

[myownalias]

Regardless of the political debate, it will have a negative effect on F1, the three big industries that support F1 is alcohol, tobacco and oil/gas. It just ends up pushing F1 out of Europe, like any business, if a market is not profitable, you simply do your business elsewhere, so we end up with all races taking place in the UAE, Asia and the Americas. I remember not so long ago when 2/3 of the races took place in Europe, now its more like 1/3 of the races because of advertizing bans.

That's a stretch.

I don't believe so, the tobacco advertizing ban was put in place and suddenly we have half dozen races in the UAE and Asia.

Well, there's still no tobacco ads when they drive in Asia, etc., so these other venues don't have an advantage in this respect.

At first there was, I distinctly remember cars running tobacco advertizing in the far east before tobacco sponsorship fell by the wayside because the tobacco industry were not getting the exposure they wanted in Europe, which is why I believe that so many UAE and Asian races popped up soon after the ban!

[darwin dali]

You're wrong, cookie.

I genuinely enjoy a glass of Bordeaux or stout or Chartreuse or Fernet Branca, etc., and I never get drunk! One drink, very rarely a second one within a couple hours, no more. This is one of the pleasures I wouldn't want to have to give up even if I don't indulge too much.

Does it improve your health?

(and dont quote the 'a glass of wine a day is good for you' because I would have to dig out the advertising agency that came up with that one )

At the rate I consume it (a drink every week or two), it's probably as 'helpful' as the sugar or sodium I consume daily.
On the other hand, it gives me pleasure and thus, triggers the rewards system in my brain (endorphins and all), so it helps my mental health. You wouldn't want me to go mental on you, would you?

[CookinFlat6]

Come to think of it, there is a very strong case to legislate that certain dungeon dwelling types are kept in the occasional glass of claret

[stonemonkey]

You're wrong, cookie.

I genuinely enjoy a glass of Bordeaux or stout or Chartreuse or Fernet Branca, etc., and I never get drunk! One drink, very rarely a second one within a couple hours, no more. This is one of the pleasures I wouldn't want to have to give up even if I don't indulge too much.

You only think you're enjoying it because you've been conditioned!

I've been conditioned too, a little too conditioned from time to time.

[Jabberwocky]

I think a ban on alcohol will drive F1 towards in paticular Muslim countries because of there alcoholic beliefs.

But What's Next? Mobile phones cause radiation that is bad so are they going to ban Vodafone? Marussia? Etc. What about the long term health effects of Energy Drinks?

[What's Burning?]

In America they don't allow hard liquor or cigarette sponsorship (not done voluntarily) in NASCAR but they do allow the NRA to sponsor race events.

[stonemonkey]

In America they don't allow hard liquor or cigarette sponsorship (not done voluntarily) in NASCAR but they do allow the NRA to sponsor race events.

Cars and guns, must be having some influence on the number of drive by's