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[CookinFlat6]

Many miss the point.

The regs will not be changed, V8s will not be coming back, unlimited development etc will not happen, the engine makers who have any interest or say in F1 rite now are Merc and Ferrari, Renault are insignificant, thats why they spent so little in the first place and why Red Bull have taken over speaking for them and paying extra staff to work on improving the engine. No engine maker will go back to V8 ICEs, not even Ferrari in their wildest hallucinations

All thats happening is a bunch of PR, Merc will finish each race 1 and 2 for the next 4 years with the odd win by Williams or RBR

Simply because, without Merc, there is no F1, they supply 4 teams with the cheapest and by far the best engine. Renault are trying to make a profit and ferrari are fairly clueless to be fair. Until Porsche, Audi or BMW turn up the Merc engines will be the winners with their factory team untouchable because they can afford to double their spend and still see an overall return in marketing and sales. No sponsors or drinks companies or niche sportscar builder can compete with that type of business motive.

So a good investment would be shares in the lubrication companies, as judging by the irrational reaction to the harsh realities displayed just on this thread, if that holds across the wider F1 audience, then theres a lot of pain on its way

[What's Burning?]

I laugh at the suggestions of Ferrari leaving F1 all together to dump it for LMP. If there are complaints about F1 costs, LMP is worse, the budgets are the same but there is no income to be had/shared from venue contracts or television rights. I is trully a sports series, not a "show" like the one Bernie holds with Ferrari as the prima donna.

[CookinFlat6]

Yes, that was probably the final nail in di montezedodo, talking about moving into LMP1 to dominate it by its ICE engine building expertise and by a big spend in biofuel development. Probably that was so embarrassing for the insiders they couldnt take anymore.
As if Ferrari is an Audi who do high tech for laughs, and can afford to use LMP as a cost leader to establish the sporting credentials of Audi. When Luca saw Audi dabbling with biofuels, he probably got it all mixed up and thought that was the high tech part of the prototypes Audi spend huge amounts on as a testbed and no return exercise for pure sporting credibility.

Ferrari were supposed to go into LMP1 and would have got their arse handed to them twice in parallel in the 2 most expensive motorsports ever. Thats probably where he crossed the line from senile to barking, and where the Tifosi who believed it turned from sheep to lamb cutlets

[overboost]

Myown didn't day 2014 was the same as 2010, he said it was the most exciting since 2010.

You are right but still 2010 was the benchmark for the comparison. Perhaps if 2009 was mentioned instead as that was another season heavily damaged by the rulemakers!

[LRW]

Overboost - you always sound so bitter..?

[overboost]

Overboost - you always sound so bitter..?

There you go, I added a wink.

[CookinFlat6]

OB, you sound like you are pretty used to life dealing you the dog eared card, with your heros getting cheated left right and center, and your teams tanking the minute you start supporting them, and the sport you love to watch so much constantly ruined by the rule makers. And even your arguments are regularly 'found wanting'
Look on the bright side at least you werent a Vettel supporter till recently

[What's Burning?]

We can't quite make out whom he supports, it's part of the defense mechanism, if they don't let you know where their home base, they're not open to a counter attack. One thing's for sure, the highlight of OB's season was Rosberg clipping Lewis Hamilton's tire.

BTW have you heard that Reb Bull has pretty much given up and is just going to have to wait till 2016 to get a majority vote to lift the freeze? Isn't a majority of 4... 3?

[CookinFlat6]

Red Bull need to be a little bit more savvy, as it probably isnt a good idea to irritate Merc too much at this stage in case they ever need a competitive engine. Just like Ferrari always demanded on voting loyalty etc from its engine customers (not to mention on track help) like Sauber, and a bit like RBR counting on STR, when Merc start to really flex their position at the summit of F1 things could really get ugly for a few people.

The 4 Merc customers include Williams who have a seat at the top table, Lotus who will always be attractive to incoming team owners, and FI who represent the smaller teams. Non of those will want to pee Merc off and lose their engines.

Renault have had to become the RBR 'works engine', and apart from STR and RBR one would have to be mad to signup with them. Leaving Ferrari on very shaky ground indeed. I bet the next time they threaten to leave it will be becuse they are leaving, maybe Haas will be named Ferrari Haas North America and will become the team on the grid continuing the years of tradition. At least ferrari fans will be able to explain away their back of the grid position by pointing out that they ARE a back of the grid team

Interesting times ahead indeed, lets see what McHonda can bring to the next few years of unadulterated fun

[What's Burning?]

the way you're going on cookin' ... for a second there I thought we were in the Ferrari support thread.

[overboost]

OB, you sound like you are pretty used to life dealing you the dog eared card, with your heros getting cheated left right and center, and your teams tanking the minute you start supporting them, and the sport you love to watch so much constantly ruined by the rule makers. And even your arguments are regularly 'found wanting'
Look on the bright side at least you werent a Vettel supporter till recently

Are you sure you are not describing yourself and the pratfalls of being a Lewis Hamilton supporter?!

[sagi58]

Aww boo hoo, Mercedes is not willing to be overly generous in givng the rest a 2nd chance....

Fact remains the others are trying their level best to be given another chance to get things right when this was never the deal in the first place, so Mercedes is the only one being rational here. Difference is they can afford to be rational since they're doing the winning. Doesn't make it their fault. Maybe they could start being charitable after 5 years of domination like Ferrari 2000-2004.

Your first comment doesn't merit any sort of a response (even though, technically, this is)!

Secondly, what "deal" are you referring to? The "deal" which is competition in F1?

Of course, Mercedes can afford to be rational, they aren't the ones losing money hand over
first because they can't compete at the front. Do you understand the ramifications if there
isn't any real competition in F1? There is a strong possibility that current sponsors of some
teams will decide they don't want to spend publicity money on teams that can't compete.
Then what? You don't think there would be even more teams declaring bankruptcy?

And, finally, did Ferrari have a hold over development during that period? I don't believe so.
Do you see the difference between what Mercedes is doing in using their veto?

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I laughed as much at this video as I did reading your post.

So... you derive pleasure from the misfortune of others? Well, good for you!

[sagi58]

It's not about agreeing with Mercs position, it's about some stated facts. Facts such as Ferrari don't need an unfreeze to catch up, they just need to do a better job. But let's ignore the facts and make our claims based on self admitted 'little knowledge'
While we are at it why do Feerari have to continue as a manufacturer if they can't make competitive engines within the rules? Just one valid reason will do. BMW, Toyota, Cosworth stopped, tell us why Ferrari continue if it's not working out for them?
Or just change the subject

You might want to re-read that without the rose-tinted glasses you're wearing as a Hamilton fan.
Sure, he is basically guaranteed the title, at this point. Sure, he will probably repeat that next
year, if Mercedes are successful in ruining competition in F1.

Just remember that just as you've declared there are asterisks beside the names of some WDC,
there are a lot of fans in F1 who will be placing one beside each title Mercedes and their drivers
win because of this.

What's Hamilton gotta do with this? I suspected you would ignore the question and change the subject but you take the argumentum ad ignoratia to a new level. Ms gas an asteroid beside 5 if his 7 titles, Seb has 4 out of 4, Lewis would have 1 out of 2 according to this argumentum a ignoratia

Why don't Ferrari quit if they can't compete within the rules?

This has a lot to do with Hamilton!! IF Hamilton were still at McLaren, you'd not be singing the praises of Mercedes.
Rather, you'd be on this side of the fence arguing that there Mercedes was stifling competition.

And, you really should stop insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you, it's against forum rules, remember?

[sagi58]

...The engine freeze prevents any of the competition from fighting back through the season so fans need not to attend when the outcome is already determined. For F1 to thrive again the engine freeze needs to be adjusted to allow development.

Personally I am against rules which prevent innovation and competition and more and more it is apparent that Mercedes is creating this very thing in F1. Their values are tuned to just selling Mercs not to racing.

It would seem that those of us who don't agree with what's currently happening
in F1 are wrong; however, if we start to support the "right" driver, we'll see the light!

[What's Burning?]

So... you derive pleasure from the misfortune of others? Well, good for you!

And that, in a nutshell is the problem with social media, isn't it?
some hear/read bits and pieces from this person, then that one and
some fill in the rest with assumptions, suppositions and theories.