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By Hammer278
#423690
To any of the cryers out there reg 2014 cars being so slow or turbo engines duckling donkey d***....A 2014 car/PU has now actually beaten a 2013 car in qualifying in its 'rookie' season. You're welcome.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=80 ... 19&fref=nf
By Hammer278
#423836
What's sweeter than beating the competition with the implemented rules?

Doing some charity for the competition, making it public and still beating the pants out of them.
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Mercedes' bag of tricks must be deeper than previously thought. Five more months Red Bull and Ferrari will have. Five more months, in what? Four and a half years by July of 2015? That will certainly make it or break it.

Dollars to donuts we'll be hearing about the same thing again for the 2016 season.
By CookinFlat6
#423850
Rumours that Merc might relax the engine 'freeze'
http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-266944.html


Merc could be stringing them along again, only to move the goalposts or slip in their own request to allow it to go ahead. The Merc legal department have proven the prowess and ruthlessness at playing the regulations game

Also by all accounts, they are so far ahead in terms of developments and updates that they can moderate what they release to counter any marginal gain the others make in the extra time.

And ofcourse after giving away this concession to help their rivals become more competitive, if they make no inroads despite the extra spend it will be even better for Mercs PR department than not allowing them to try and do in 5 months what they couldnt do in 5 years
By CookinFlat6
#423851
To any of the cryers out there reg 2014 cars being so slow or turbo engines duckling donkey d***....A 2014 car/PU has now actually beaten a 2013 car in qualifying in its 'rookie' season. You're welcome.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=80 ... 19&fref=nf


To be fair, the moaners were right about their own teams. The only team within last years quali was Merc and williams. Also the tyres were the softer option edition to last years, although this years tyres are generally harder. So if we discount 1 sec for the option difference and then add back half a sec for this years alround harder, that means the moaners are right to moan that their teams cars are slower than last year. I bet that gives them a real satisfaction and a sense of 'I was right'

Could be too late to scrap the new hybrid and return to the V8s though, there is always the sound still to moan about
By CookinFlat6
#424003
The Ferrari Formula 1 team is wary of suggestions by rival Mercedes that it may soften its stance towards relaxing engine freeze regulations.

The three current F1 engine manufacturers - Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault - met during last weekend's US Grand Prix to discuss fresh proposals to relax rules that prevent them introducing updates during the season.

Mercedes suggested it may be open to allowing a one-off mid-season upgrade in 2015, having previously blocked attempts by Renault and Ferrari to allow in-season development of engines, claiming such developments would substantially increase costs.

Both Ferrari and Renault deny costs would increase substantially were the engine freeze relaxed, which has led Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff to suggest Ferrari needs a new calculator if it really believes this is the case.

Ferrari team principal Marco Mattiacci said he welcomed "constructive" negotiations in Austin, but urged caution given that Mercedes has changed its mind before on this issue.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116626?source=mostpopular
By Hammer278
#424039
It would be funny if Renault and Ferrari give the green light to developing their components based on Mercs "Maybe"....and after another few millions spent Merc turns around and says "No.". :hehe:
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By darwin dali
#424041
It would be funny if Renault and Ferrari give the green light to developing their components based on Mercs "Maybe"....and after another few millions spent Merc turns around and says "No.". :hehe:

And that would be funny why? :rolleyes:
By Hammer278
#424042
Because Merc doesn't need to do charity for others to catch up.
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By darwin dali
#424043
Because Merc doesn't need to do charity for others to catch up.

No, but it is in Mercedes' own interest to compete against strong rivals in order to show their superiority. And it is in Mercedes' own interest to compete in an existing Formula One that doesn't crumble as a competitive sport because team after team either gets Mercedified with Mercedes engines or leaves the sport altogether.
I wouldn't mind the first scenario as we used to have a de facto one-engine manufacturer series during the Cosworth heydays - would you?
I think we agree on the second scenario not being a good outcome...
#424046
That would be a fine argument if we'd been seeing this superiority of engines for years, but it's the first year the engines are out. Next year manufacturers can change 48% of the engine. That's 48% of things they got wrong, they can change. How much could they have possibly gotten wrong? I could understand if this was the second year where Mercedes was showing this level of superiority, but not even mid way through the first season the crying began.

I think the moving next year's freeze to July is a decent compromise on the part of Mercedes.

The complexity of the situation is that Mercedes has to cough up the most money simply because the other manufacturers got it very wrong. Merc supply four teams, two cars each, that's 8 engines. Renault is down to two teams, Honda has one team and Ferrari three teams to supply. Mercedes has 40 engines to build for the season! The costs do add up when you change something.

it's also not practical if there's a newer spec engine and a team saved an early season engine to use later on. It makes the early engine obsolete, again money being thrown away by the customer teams. There was a valid reason the teams all agreed to do this in the first place. :banghead:

So enough with the unsportsmanship crap, we put up with four years of Red Bull skirting regulations with AD voodoo, we put up with laughable stewarding and ridiculous double points ideas, the point is the sport survived the bore fest of 2011 and 2013, and the borefest of 99 ~2004 it can survive the inferior engine design teams catching up over the next two years.
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