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#42326
From autosport.com:

By Jonathan Noble Friday, May 2nd 2008, 16:02 GMT

Mercedes-Benz motorsport boss Norbert HaugMercedes-Benz motorsport boss Norbert Haug admits that rivals Ferrari are heading to next weekend's Turkish Grand Prix as favourites for victory, as he predicts what could be a 'challenging' time for McLaren.

Ferrari have won at Istanbul for the last two years and Haug is well aware that McLaren could be in for a difficult time as they bid to overhaul their rivals.

"We didn't really shine here in the past, and also this time we are not the current benchmark," said Haug. "The team wants to score as many points as possible, but after three consecutive wins Ferrari obviously arrive here as the favourites."

Although Haug is confident McLaren can make the steps they need to take the championship fight to Ferrari, he does not think the team are in a strong enough position yet - despite some encouraging speed in Barcelona last weekend.

"Barcelona as the first Grand Prix of the European season and, with its challenging track layout, is definitely a yardstick for the following races," explained Haug. "In qualifying, we missed pole position by less than three tenths of a second; however, we carried a little more fuel and therefore more weight.

"Anyway, even with the same fuel load we wouldn't have been fast enough to beat Ferrari. Since winning the season opener in Melbourne, our car has improved gradually and has become significantly faster.

"Unfortunately, we didn't score all possible points, neither in Melbourne, Malaysia, Bahrain or Barcelona, mostly due to self-induced mistakes and this is the reason for the gap to the top of the rankings, after Ferrari had scored only one point in Melbourne. Our aim is to improve further over the next few races, however it is possible the Turkish Grand Prix might be a challenging race for the team."

Lewis Hamilton thinks qualifying will be crucial in Turkey, and he admits McLaren need to get their MP4-23 much quicker in slower sections of tracks.

"Given the challenging nature of the circuit, we have come away from Barcelona with some confidence for the high speed corners, but we also come away knowing that we have areas where we need to strengthen the car," said the Briton.

"The tighter, more twisty parts of the Circuit de Catalunya were certainly our Achilles heel during the race weekend, and there has been a lot of analysis and study of that as we endeavour to strengthen our car in that area."


It's slightly concerning that McLaren are weaker in the twisty parts of tracks, one of the MP4-22's strengths.
#42346
I'm expecting BMW Sauber to have the measure of McLaren in the middle of the season and possibly the end as well. They have a significant amount of additional experience in their driver line-up which, at the moment, is making a fairly big difference on the development side of things.
#42376
I'm expecting BMW Sauber to have the measure of McLaren in the middle of the season and possibly the end as well. They have a significant amount of additional experience in their driver line-up which, at the moment, is making a fairly big difference on the development side of things.


if youre banking it on Heidfeld then why is Kubica doing better in qualify?
#42382
I'm expecting BMW Sauber to have the measure of McLaren in the middle of the season and possibly the end as well. They have a significant amount of additional experience in their driver line-up which, at the moment, is making a fairly big difference on the development side of things.


if youre banking it on Heidfeld then why is Kubica doing better in qualify?


Heidfeld is sharing his inputs with Kubica..?
#42385
I'm expecting BMW Sauber to have the measure of McLaren in the middle of the season and possibly the end as well. They have a significant amount of additional experience in their driver line-up which, at the moment, is making a fairly big difference on the development side of things.


if youre banking it on Heidfeld then why is Kubica doing better in qualify?


Heidfeld is sharing his inputs with Kubica..?


ahh yeah ofcourse thats it
#42393
I'm expecting BMW Sauber to have the measure of McLaren in the middle of the season and possibly the end as well. They have a significant amount of additional experience in their driver line-up which, at the moment, is making a fairly big difference on the development side of things.


if youre banking it on Heidfeld then why is Kubica doing better in qualify?


Heidfeld has the experience, Kubica has the speed and, more importantly, always seems to run a fair bit lighter than Heidfeld. McLaren have two fast but inexperienced drivers and they are struggling. On the other hand, BMW have one fast driver and one experienced driver and their development rate has been good. Other teams that combine speed and experience are having good results, whilst those without much experience in the driver department seem to be struggling a lot with set-up. Both McLaren and Williams have, at the past three races, struggled with their set-ups. Compare this to last year when both of those teams had an experienced driver alongside a fast driver (Alonso at McLaren and Wurz at Williams) and you can see the differences.

I'm hoping it will pick up, because otherwise it's going to be a Ferrari-dominated year, but we'll have to wait and see.
#42401
the only problem with that theory that seems to be the theme of the day of late is where was this setup issue in Australia? the McLaren cars were dialed in there so why did the so called lack of experience not matter then?
#42402
the only problem with that theory that seems to be the theme of the day of late is where was this setup issue in Australia? the McLaren cars were dialed in there so why did the so called lack of experience not matter then?

To be really honest, McLaren had some luck in Australia. The car handled well, but Ferrari were probably faster, only Massa was doing his usual and Raikkonen was all over the show.
#42410
the only problem with that theory that seems to be the theme of the day of late is where was this setup issue in Australia? the McLaren cars were dialed in there so why did the so called lack of experience not matter then?


One race out of four is hardly something to base your view on. So far this season, they've had setup issues. The BMW wasn't too far off their pace in Australia and the Ferraris had bad luck as well as a couple of driver mistakes. Remember that, when they weren't off the track or having engine difficulties, the Ferraris were running at a similar pace to the McLarens, too.

Norbert Haug, should stop having so much dinners. Lewis will win watch this space.....


Given the fact that, just like the rest of us, Haug can see the difference in performance, he's wise to view Ferrari as favourites for at least Turkey. They're still a good few tenths ahead of McLaren at the moment.
#42414

One race out of four is hardly something to base your view on. So far this season, they've had setup issues. The BMW wasn't too far off their pace in Australia and the Ferraris had bad luck as well as a couple of driver mistakes. Remember that, when they weren't off the track or having engine difficulties, the Ferraris were running at a similar pace to the McLarens, too.


but surely if it was all about experience there would be no race out of four no?

McLaren had the superior race pace over Sauber and Ferrari in Australia. not bad for guys that dont know how to setup F1 cars :roll:
#42415

One race out of four is hardly something to base your view on. So far this season, they've had setup issues. The BMW wasn't too far off their pace in Australia and the Ferraris had bad luck as well as a couple of driver mistakes. Remember that, when they weren't off the track or having engine difficulties, the Ferraris were running at a similar pace to the McLarens, too.


but surely if it was all about experience there would be no race out of four no?

McLaren had the superior race pace over Sauber and Ferrari in Australia. not bad for guys that dont know how to setup F1 cars :roll:


It wasn't that much more pace and you didn't get many opportunities to compare. If they were so good at Australia, why have they not repeated that dominance at any other circuit?
#42416

One race out of four is hardly something to base your view on. So far this season, they've had setup issues. The BMW wasn't too far off their pace in Australia and the Ferraris had bad luck as well as a couple of driver mistakes. Remember that, when they weren't off the track or having engine difficulties, the Ferraris were running at a similar pace to the McLarens, too.


but surely if it was all about experience there would be no race out of four no?

McLaren had the superior race pace over Sauber and Ferrari in Australia. not bad for guys that dont know how to setup F1 cars :roll:


It wasn't that much more pace and you didn't get many opportunities to compare. If they were so good at Australia, why have they not repeated that dominance at any other circuit?

1 23 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 43 16:42:11 218.385 1:27.418
2 22 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 39 16:36:13 218.300 1:27.452
3 3 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 41 16:39:17 217.586 1:27.739
4 1 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 20 16:05:16 217.180 1:27.903

3 tenths not much more pace? thats enough!

many factors involved in answering that question circuit characteristics bringing out advantages disadvantages of chassis', technical development race of each team ebbing back and forth

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