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[scousers on tour 2008]

what happen to them now....

[bud]

Super Aguri's hopes of taking part in next weekend's Turkish Grand Prix have been dealt a major blow after their trucks and motorhome were denied permission to enter the Istanbul circuit.


The Wiegl Group is hopking to come to the troubled Japanese outfit's aid with a last-minute rescue package, and they are set for a crunch meeting with the Honda board this week.


However, Autosport reports that Super Aguri's trucks and motorhome were prevented from entering the Istanbul paddock.


Officials claim Honda Racing CEO Nick Fry had informed Formula One management that Super Aguri would not be racing in Turkey.


Fry on Saturday expressed doubt about the Weigl Group's ability to rescue the troubled Formula One team.


"It would appear unlikely that a company the size of Weigl is able to support a competitive Formula One team, unless of course there are other partners of which we have not been made aware," he told Reuters.


Super Aguri have been forced to park their trucks and motorhome outside the track while waiting for further news from the team management.

[McLaren Fan]

Here's the full article from autosport.com:

Super Aguri denied access to Istanbul

By Jonathan Noble Sunday, May 4th 2008, 12:21 GMT

Super Aguri F1Super Aguri's trucks and motorhome have been refused access to the paddock at Istanbul ahead of next week's Turkish Grand Prix, autosport.com has learned, as the saga surrounding their future took a fresh twist on Sunday.

With the team hoping that a meeting with the Honda board this week will see a rescue package put forward by German automotive company the Weigl Group accepted, the outfit have been left baffled by events developing in Turkey.

Although the team's cars are currently in Britain pending the outcome of the talks with Honda, they had dispatched their spares trucks and motorhome to Turkey to prepare for the next race.

However, sources have revealed to autosport.com that neither the motorhome nor the trucks were allowed into the paddock where teams have begun setting up ahead of the next round of the world championship.

When asked for an explanation from officials about why they were not allowed access to the paddock, sources claim the reason was that Honda Racing CEO Nick Fry had informed Formula One management that Super Aguri would not be racing in Turkey.

The development comes just 24 hours after Fry made it clear that he did not believe the rescue package from Weigl was good enough to secure Super Aguri's future.

He said "It would appear unlikely that a company the size of Weigl is able to support a competitive Formula One team, unless of course there are other partners of which we have not been made aware."

Weigl himself hit back at those claims, revealing to autosport.com on Saturday that he did indeed have investment partners and a long-term plan for the team, and that he was confident of a positive outcome from the Honda board meeting.

Fry has made no secret of the fact that he does not want Super Aguri to continue being a drain on the resources of the Honda Racing F1 team. Speaking to autosport.com at the Spanish Grand Prix, Fry said he believed Honda had already supported Super Aguri far beyond what was originally intended.

"Our position is that Honda have given Super Aguri every available bit of support over and above what was anticipated," said Fry in Barcelona. "We tried to help as much as possible and Honda never intended to fund two F1 teams. We've gone way beyond what was ever originally anticipated. Now Aguri has got to find some money."

With no access to the paddock, Super Aguri's trucks and motorhome are parked outside the track waiting for further news from the team management. Team personnel have already begun travelling to the race.

[Rivelution]

Well I hope this gets sorted out pretty soon, its pretty bad to have an F1 team waiting outside the track. I dont understand why they just dont let them in until they get notified.

[Jabberwocky]

What has Fry got against the Weigl Groups?

[EwanM]

This may just be the end of Super Aguri. The reason Fry is so against it, is due to the Honda board. They probably won't back tht Weigel bid on Wednesday due to the proposed investor being quite blurry on setting out afuture. Besides Honda are going to have to negotiate how they offer technical support to the team etc etc. Besides with KERS coming in and customer cars going out, Honda wnt bankroll 2 teams. They may let it die?

I do fear in the next few years that Torro Rosso may end up the same way, if Red Bull pull out of bankrolling the team, after the customer car ban comes into place.

18 cars left on the grid if that happened, wouldn't that be poor.
Manufacturers wont invest in F1 anymore either, Audi dismissed it and I thought they would make the jump sooner rather than later, no chance of the blue oval making a return either.

[Rivelution]

This may just be the end of Super Aguri. The reason Fry is so against it, is due to the Honda board. They probably won't back tht Weigel bid on Wednesday due to the proposed investor being quite blurry on setting out afuture. Besides Honda are going to have to negotiate how they offer technical support to the team etc etc. Besides with KERS coming in and customer cars going out, Honda wnt bankroll 2 teams. They may let it die?

I do fear in the next few years that Torro Rosso may end up the same way, if Red Bull pull out of bankrolling the team, after the customer car ban comes into place.

18 cars left on the grid if that happened, wouldn't that be poor.
Manufacturers wont invest in F1 anymore either, Audi dismissed it and I thought they would make the jump sooner rather than later, no chance of the blue oval making a return either.

If the FIA is so concerned about making F1 cheaper, then why the hell are they banning custumer cars?

[bud]

This may just be the end of Super Aguri. The reason Fry is so against it, is due to the Honda board. They probably won't back tht Weigel bid on Wednesday due to the proposed investor being quite blurry on setting out afuture. Besides Honda are going to have to negotiate how they offer technical support to the team etc etc. Besides with KERS coming in and customer cars going out, Honda wnt bankroll 2 teams. They may let it die?

I do fear in the next few years that Torro Rosso may end up the same way, if Red Bull pull out of bankrolling the team, after the customer car ban comes into place.

18 cars left on the grid if that happened, wouldn't that be poor.
Manufacturers wont invest in F1 anymore either, Audi dismissed it and I thought they would make the jump sooner rather than later, no chance of the blue oval making a return either.

If the FIA is so concerned about making F1 cheaper, then why the hell are they banning custumer cars?

Some constructors were against it like Williams and at the time Spyker aka Force India aka Midland aka Jordan. and i would have to agree with them i prefer F1 to be constructor vs constructor

[Denthúl]

This may just be the end of Super Aguri. The reason Fry is so against it, is due to the Honda board. They probably won't back tht Weigel bid on Wednesday due to the proposed investor being quite blurry on setting out afuture. Besides Honda are going to have to negotiate how they offer technical support to the team etc etc. Besides with KERS coming in and customer cars going out, Honda wnt bankroll 2 teams. They may let it die?

I do fear in the next few years that Torro Rosso may end up the same way, if Red Bull pull out of bankrolling the team, after the customer car ban comes into place.

18 cars left on the grid if that happened, wouldn't that be poor.
Manufacturers wont invest in F1 anymore either, Audi dismissed it and I thought they would make the jump sooner rather than later, no chance of the blue oval making a return either.

Toro Rosso are supposed to be up for sale in 2009-10, so they wouldn't go. There are plenty who would be interested in investing in or buying out that team, because they have facilities to research and develop their own cars, unlike Super Aguri.

If the FIA is so concerned about making F1 cheaper, then why the hell are they banning custumer cars?

Because it's then unfair on teams like Williams, Force India and even Renault, who have lower budgets than Ferrari, McLaren, Honda and Toyota. They have to put time, effort and money into developing their own cars whilst another team can come along and buy the McLaren-Mercedes package for the same price and be at the front of the pack. With that, there is no risk of building a poor car and being a backmarker for that year. There are no additional costs for wind tunnels, research departments and manufacturing factories.

If someone wants to enter a sport where they don't have to design and build their own car, then IRL, GP2, F3 etc. are all places they can go. Formula 1 has become about more than just racing. It's about who can build the best cars and customer cars, whilst once the norm (that's how Frank Williams started - a privately entered car built by another team), do not adhere to that.

Budget capping would be far more effective than customer cars.