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[CookinFlat6]

As I have quoted a few times before “The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.” - Albert Einstein. Of course the corollary to that is those who never listen, learn and change have zero intelligence

Its not physically possible for someone with the ability (whether used or not) to listen, learn and change to have zero intelligence.

The corollary to the quote is more likely to be that any primate can cut and paste quotes from the web, but it takes some intelligence and integrity to understand what they are pasting and the context and to be able to back it up with TRUE 'facts'

[What's Burning?]

Altruistically magnanimous.

ESPNF1 Marco Mattiacci does not want the engine freeze to be lifted because it will benefit Ferrari but because he thinks it will benefit Formula One as a whole.

Mattiacci has spoken out before about his desire to see a tweak to the rule which says changes cannot be made after engines are homologated, as they were at the beginning of the current season and will be again in 2015. The only changes that can be made after that are for reasons of reliability, safety or cost-saving.

The rule was especially costly for Renault and Ferrari this season, as they have remained on the back foot against the dominant Mercedes power unit. When it was put to him that this could be a 'magic bullet' for Ferrari and Renault in catching Mercedes, Mattiacci replied that he was looking at the bigger picture.

"We never worked from the cynical angles and tactical angles to say let's do this softening of the rules so we can catch up with Mercedes. That's totally untrue and probably misleading for my people. The starting point was that in Formula One I cannot wait one year to work on the engine and the power unit. At least at Ferrari we don't believe this is a magic bullet. If someone believes it, they are not at Ferrari. It's a way to talk about innovating and keep working on the car."

[CookinFlat6]

"We never worked from the cynical angles and tactical angles to say let's do this softening of the rules so we can catch up with Mercedes. That's totally untrue and probably misleading for my people. The starting point was that in Formula One I cannot wait one year to work on the engine and the power unit. At least at Ferrari we don't believe this is a magic bullet. If someone believes it, they are not at Ferrari. It's a way to talk about innovating and keep working on the car."

way to go Marco, dump on Luca whilst doing the same thing but with so much more finesse and subtlety. Thumbs up for not continuing to rub it in the faces of the others that ferrar expect favours in the background - maybe from now they will even keep secret the details of their special deals and vetos so as not to turn themselves into the biggest source of derision in F1 history

[Jabberwocky]

Not sure how accurate this is as it came up on my facebook feed.

K

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[Hammer278]

I foresee Brazil to be an EPIC thriller with many guys on the limit to take their penalties before Abu Double. Plus the Brazilian track somehow provides a show every time, with rain, fast cars mixed up all over the place....GADDAMN.

Also looking at that list, it shows Mercedes are head and shoulders (no Button reference here) above the rest in terms of speed AND reliability. What a deal...cheapa$$ engine which is miles ahead of everyone else. Kudos to Mercedes.

[LRW]

To be honest - I'm so surprised the two Merc boys are looking so relatively healthy.

[Jabberwocky]

I imagined that the Renault engines where the ones to be worse off but it appears it is Ferrari.

[racechick]

There's some info here for anyone interested on the freeze/ unfreeze debate.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/10/t ... -question/

Some of my thoughts...

1. You can't blame M&M man for trying to get the rules changed to suit him. He's a business man and will try all he can to benefit his business. And he works for a team who historically have been handed blatant advantage over the test of the field by the governing body of the sport, so why not give it a go. M&M man says the engine freezing is against the spirit of F 1 . But maybe that's what he thinks the spirit if F1 is....an advantage given to Ferrari.
http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/motorsport/story/179905.html

2. Everyone agreed to the freeze at the outset. Everyone.

3. I'm no engine manufacturer. takes me all my time to understand how they work. But if I were designing something and I was told, what you come up with will be pretty much frozen for two years, no tinkering, nothing. Then I may design it differently to something I knew I could later adapt and develop. What I'm saying is, knowing the engines would be frozen may have had a bearing on how Merc made their engine. they may have had an even better one had it been open for development.

4. Why penalise Mercedes because Ferrari and Renault did a bad job within the rules and time frame set out?

5. There are four teams on the grid using Merc engines. Yet it's a Red Bull car that gets amongst the Mercs sometimes and is closest to them in the championship. Perhaps Merc just did a better all round job with engine AND car

[CookinFlat6]

Great info RC.

Seems Toto played a blinder and fixed Ferrari like a playa. They though there was agreement but a few races later realised it was all a big mistake and Merc would still vote against

This is the kind of veto Ferrari have had over the last couple of decades but without even allowing other teams to have a say or in some cases to even know about it, so someone should send them that mea culpa recipe quickly to console them.

Meanwhile MnM says wanting an unfreeze is not about catching up with Merc but about the long term good of F1 itself, then goes on to say this

"It is not fair that Toto offered me a calculator because he was saying we are not good with calculations," Mattiacci added. "I think that it's not - from our point of view - a cost increase. The other argument is that today, if I had the possibility to upgrade my engines and those of the teams I supply, we would have scored points and therefore extra [prize money] revenues.

'if you had allowed me to spend a lot more money to develop then we would have scored more points and earnt more money'

Forget about calculators, this guy left his simple arithmetic brain at Maranello -

MnM, if you were allowed to spend more, so would have the rest, and its not your engine thats holding you back, its the whole car, you would not move up the grid, WIlliams are better despite the engine and so are McLaren now

These guys never learn, it seems MnM has now caught the prancing pony fever of preening entitlement

[racechick]

When I first skim read the article and saw the calculator quote. I thought Toto had offered it to M&M man so he could work out the figures for designing his engine better
then I read it properly and realised he was explaining costs to him.

[CookinFlat6]

yeah, MnM was actually trying to say that relaxing the development freeze would not cost the team or its customers more money ( ), as Merc are obviously worried about escalating costs which the Renault and Ferrari would then pass onto customers making F1 less attractive. Lets remember that those engines are the most expensive already and all the customer teams on those engines are close to going out of business apart from RBR/STR

But MnM's maths must have had some translation issues as he seems to think there would be no net extra costs to the customers or his team as they would ALL make more money as a result of the extra spending pushing them up a few grid spots and receiving more prize money and everything would be neat and tidy

Yup just give marrussia a better engine and it will move up the grid past the other teams with engines that have also been developed even more. Or ferrari would gain so much they wouldnt have extra costs to pass on

Its not even the prancing donkey anymore, we are looking at the legless rocking horse

[What's Burning?]

Maybe Ferrari used the same calculator they used to make the wind tunnel?

[racechick]

Maybe Ferrari used the same calculator they used to make the wind tunnel?

[CookinFlat6]

Maybe Ferrari used the same calculator they used to make the wind tunnel?

and the same one they used to work out Sebs salary

[What's Burning?]

I hope the Tifosi know we're just having a little fun at their expense. Nothing malicious intended. I can dish it as well as I can take it.