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[8-ball]

I agree, but felt the need to rebuke DeMuRe's attempts to wind up certainly people on the forum. Hamilton didn't do his best in Malaysia and Bahrain and, even if he did, the car wouldn't have been good enough anyway. Spain was pretty for McLaren as far as I'm concerned. Still, it could have been worse, but not by much. I think there are a number of things wrong, such as the two young drivers not getting the best out of the MP4-23, the moratorium on development on certain parts of the car, the $100,000,000 fine, and general McLaren inconsistency.

And for that you would blame ron dennis. I know its a broken record but no experience in the team means that they should expect this until lewis learns the finer points of car development. Until that kimi will continue to dominate

Slightly off topic, but I think it needs said. Although I didn't expect big things from McLaren this season, in the next two or three years the team needs to put up a serious title challenge consistently. It's getting slightly embarrassing and slightly annoying that McLaren have not won anything for the best part of a decade. Even if you say McLaren did win the constructors' title last season, one title in nine years is a poor showing for the money and facilities McLaren and Mercedes have both. After a year or two, McLaren can have no excuses for not producing a quality car: Hamilton and Kovalainen will be experienced, the Technology Centre was finished long ago and there will be no moving to it as what was going on c. 2004, and the spy scandal, although not forgotten, will be in the past.

Mclaren will not win anything this season and you are right saying 1 title in 9 years is pathetic. Is that any more clear an indication that Ron's time has come?

[bud]

Mclaren will not win anything this season and you are right saying 1 title in 9 years is pathetic. Is that any more clear an indication that Ron's time has come?

pathetic is the wrong choice of words would you say the same for Ferrari's 20 year gap until Schumi brought them one in 2000?

we are only 4 races in this season isnt even over yet, dont count your chickens before they have hatched

[McLaren Fan]

I agree, but felt the need to rebuke DeMuRe's attempts to wind up certainly people on the forum. Hamilton didn't do his best in Malaysia and Bahrain and, even if he did, the car wouldn't have been good enough anyway. Spain was pretty for McLaren as far as I'm concerned. Still, it could have been worse, but not by much. I think there are a number of things wrong, such as the two young drivers not getting the best out of the MP4-23, the moratorium on development on certain parts of the car, the $100,000,000 fine, and general McLaren inconsistency.

And for that you would blame ron dennis. I know its a broken record but no experience in the team means that they should expect this until lewis learns the finer points of car development. Until that kimi will continue to dominate

Slightly off topic, but I think it needs said. Although I didn't expect big things from McLaren this season, in the next two or three years the team needs to put up a serious title challenge consistently. It's getting slightly embarrassing and slightly annoying that McLaren have not won anything for the best part of a decade. Even if you say McLaren did win the constructors' title last season, one title in nine years is a poor showing for the money and facilities McLaren and Mercedes have both. After a year or two, McLaren can have no excuses for not producing a quality car: Hamilton and Kovalainen will be experienced, the Technology Centre was finished long ago and there will be no moving to it as what was going on c. 2004, and the spy scandal, although not forgotten, will be in the past.

Mclaren will not win anything this season and you are right saying 1 title in 9 years is pathetic. Is that any more clear an indication that Ron's time has come?

I think that Ron Dennis got a little excited with the Technology Centre, but McLaren's future is vested in it and it probably did create some confusion in transferring from the old facilities to the new facilities. Therefore, Dennis can be given the benefit of the doubt. I don't think Dennis can take any blame for the spy scandal, however. No boss could have foreseen what happened, nor know what one or two of his employees were doing individually. Paddy Lowe should probably have opened his trap sooner. Also, don't forget Mercedes' part to play in all of this. They've had no issues that way and for years their engines were absolutely useless, so their rumblings of discontent which surface once every other year on the team's performance are as much down to themselves, if not more, than down to McLaren. That said, Mercedes' engines now seem very good, the logistics of the Technology Centre are sorted, so all that needs to happen is for the spy scandal ramifications to clear themselves up and Hamilton and Kovalainen to gain experience. That should take a season or two. Thereafter McLaren-Mercedes need to start putting very good title bids for a decent period of time (inevitably you can't remain top for ever). If that doesn't happen, there can't really be any excuses and I would happily call for the heads of the people at the top.

Mclaren will not win anything this season and you are right saying 1 title in 9 years is pathetic. Is that any more clear an indication that Ron's time has come?

pathetic is the wrong choice of words would you say the same for Ferrari's 20 year gap until Schumi brought them one in 2000?

we are only 4 races in this season isnt even over yet, dont count your chickens before they have hatched

I don't care what Ferrari are doing. The fact is McLaren are in a situation whereby if they don't start doing well in two seasons questions really do need to be asked about how the team is run. You are right to say people should not be counting their chickens just yet. McLaren, despite being wounded, still have the potential to do well this season and next, but that potential will seriously have to start to show itself by 2010 at the latest.

[texasmr2]

I have faith in RD and McLaren that they will resolve their current issue's, management or developement I'm not sure which one, but how soon? I personaly do not think RD has lost anything he is even better now but inconsistency happen's to all team's sooner or later it's just the nature of the beast known as F1.

As far as driver's are concerned I'm more worried about Ferrari's future than McLaren's.

[al4x]

its not mclarens 'fault' they are obviously trying, its just the car isnt good enough, which is fair enough and honest, tho it is inadvertantly admitting he cant get anymore out of the car than was shown the last gp,

ferrari must be pleased!

lookes like this threads backfired!

[Hanwombat]

I agree, but felt the need to rebuke DeMuRe's attempts to wind up certainly people on the forum. Hamilton didn't do his best in Malaysia and Bahrain and, even if he did, the car wouldn't have been good enough anyway. Spain was pretty for McLaren as far as I'm concerned. Still, it could have been worse, but not by much. I think there are a number of things wrong, such as the two young drivers not getting the best out of the MP4-23, the moratorium on development on certain parts of the car, the $100,000,000 fine, and general McLaren inconsistency.

And for that you would blame ron dennis. I know its a broken record but no experience in the team means that they should expect this until lewis learns the finer points of car development. Until that kimi will continue to dominate

Slightly off topic, but I think it needs said. Although I didn't expect big things from McLaren this season, in the next two or three years the team needs to put up a serious title challenge consistently. It's getting slightly embarrassing and slightly annoying that McLaren have not won anything for the best part of a decade. Even if you say McLaren did win the constructors' title last season, one title in nine years is a poor showing for the money and facilities McLaren and Mercedes have both. After a year or two, McLaren can have no excuses for not producing a quality car: Hamilton and Kovalainen will be experienced, the Technology Centre was finished long ago and there will be no moving to it as what was going on c. 2004, and the spy scandal, although not forgotten, will be in the past.

Mclaren will not win anything this season and you are right saying 1 title in 9 years is pathetic. Is that any more clear an indication that Ron's time has come?

Mclaren may have not had the title since 1999 but no reason to call it pathetic, Ron's time isn't over yet, people seem to stay at Mclaren, yet leave or move on from Ferrari

[al4x]

i dunno, i think people stay at ferrari equally as much as mclaren,

[Hanwombat]

Quiet you

[texasmr2]

lookes like this threads backfired!

Not really imo but only because I'm not understanding what you mean, remember I'm SLOW so please bare with me?

[McLaren Fan]

Mclaren may have not had the title since 1999 but no reason to call it pathetic, Ron's time isn't over yet, people seem to stay at Mclaren, yet leave or move on from Ferrari

Well, actually, it's a poor showing from McLaren and Mercedes both as far as I'm concerned when you consider the people, resources and money both of those organisations have at their disposal.

I don't know where folk are getting this idea from that I want Ron Dennis out when I defended him on the first page! I merely stated that McLaren have got their new Technology Centre in order, the fallout of the spy scandal will subside in a year or two, and Mercedes have now got their house in order, so in a season or two's time there is no reason why McLaren should not be solid title contenders year in, year out.

Second place may be a great showing for Renault, but for McLaren, never.

[Hanwombat]

Mclaren don't have to win for me to like them, I just support them like I have always done, wouldn't bother me that they weren't main contenders but I would like to think they would be....hm that doesn't really make sense

[McLaren Fan]

Mclaren don't have to win for me to like them, I just support them like I have always done, wouldn't bother me that they weren't main contenders but I would like to think they would be....hm that doesn't really make sense

My support for McLaren is in no doubt. What gave you that idea?

[Hanwombat]

Nothing. I am just babbling on

[al4x]

i dunno, i think people stay at ferrari equally as much as mclaren,

dont you hush me lol!

[stonemonkey]

"Hamilton Blames McLaren"

Does he, where?