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[Mikep99]

To all the lambs out there

you just dont get it do you, or are you just that slow?

Yeh I get it. Look up one and your history is on display

[bud]

yeah but whats in a name really? when the engines and chassis are made in different countries you cant really compare it to all in house like Ferrari and Toyota do.
But even then to use that as a template for greatness in a sport once dominated by drivers turning to car builders not engine builders is an insult to alot of great long lost men!!

Yeh I get it. Look up one and your history is on display

yeah i noticed your interpretation but from my personal experience no one comes close to following the herd as much as Ferrari fans commonly called tifosi think there is about 1 billion and growing last head count. thats a bloody big herd just ask a Kiwi

[texasmr2]

But even then to use that as a template for greatness in a sport once dominated by drivers turning to car builders not engine builders is an insult to alot of great long lost men!!

Nobody is trying to insult our long lost but not forgotten hero's. That statement could be taken as an insult by someone such as I who has many many more year's of F1 fandom than you do but I'm not playing that card because I KNOW you are a 'true to the core'F1 fan.

yeah i noticed your interpretation but from my personal experience no one comes close to following the herd as much as Ferrari fans commonly called tifosi think there is about 1 billion and growing last head count. thats a bloody big herd just ask a Kiwi

Mclaren has a 'herd' also so your anger seem's to be with the Tifosi's herd outnumberering your herd?

I'm just trying to understand your concept of reality toward's F1 and McLaren being greater in everysense than any other team? Not starting a battle ok just trying to understand your view's ?

[bud]

I'm just trying to understand your concept of reality toward's F1 and McLaren being greater in everysense than any other team? Not starting a battle ok just trying to understand your view's ?

when have i stated that McLaren are such? demure wanted to put McLaren down as per usual so im gonna fight back to his usual demanure talk

hey mike, i found your fan clubs official seal

[darwin dali]

You've got too much time at your hands - good one

[McLaren Fan]

I believe you get the jist of my meaning though right? In these day's of the great cost of F1 a TRUE privateer team no longer remain's my reference's lie's in a car that has the same chassis and engine name, that's all I was meaning .

It might be what you mean, but, at the end of the day, it's not what the term 'privateer' means itself. Ferrari are bankrolled by a large car manufacturer, i.e. FIAT.

FIAT may own the majority stake in Ferrari but Ferrari is still as it was from day one, building road car's to bankroll their F1 team. Ferrari and Renault are the only privateer team's left in F1 as everything from engine to chassis is done inhouse, that's what 'privateer' mean's to me no matter who the majority shareholder is.

Ditto what bud said about Renault, but Ferrari's road car business does not put that much into their Formula One activities. Ferrari couldn't survive without FIAT's backing. Either that or they'd be pretty far down the grid.

I know it upsets most of you but deal with it...

Sorry chum, it doesn't upset me one bit. I'm very comfortable as a long-standing McLaren and Formula One fan. I'm just correcting your erroneous posts caused due to some psychosis of yours coupled with your inexperience in watching Formula One.

yeah i noticed your interpretation but from my personal experience no one comes close to following the herd as much as Ferrari fans commonly called tifosi think there is about 1 billion and growing last head count. thats a bloody big herd just ask a Kiwi

Mclaren has a 'herd' also so your anger seem's to be with the Tifosi's herd outnumberering your herd?

No, it's not. It's good to see your not sitting on the fence as you normally do and are siding with your beloved Ferrari. Our problem is with the Ferrari lambs who deny Ferrari get preferential treatment, or, even worse, believe it is just that Ferrari get preferential treatment, as well as not giving a flying f*** about any other teams in the sport, of which at least two or three can claim to have done a hell of a lot more for Formula One than the Maranello mob and their FIA buddies. As for all these Ferrari herds you mention, it's very easy to jump on the bandwagon when Ferrari are winning, not so easy when the team were inept. I remember when McLaren were wiping the floor with absolutely everybody, and then when Williams doing the same thing and, borrow in Italy and San Marino, you could barely see a Ferrari fan around. Where was the passion then, Gregg?

[Mikep99]

I'm just trying to understand your concept of reality toward's F1 and McLaren being greater in everysense than any other team? Not starting a battle ok just trying to understand your view's ?

when have i stated that McLaren are such? demure wanted to put McLaren down as per usual so im gonna fight back to his usual demanure talk

hey mike, i found your fan clubs official seal

Good one bud

[Mikep99]

No, it's not. It's good to see your not sitting on the fence as you normally do and are siding with your beloved Ferrari. Our problem is with the Ferrari lambs who deny Ferrari get preferential treatment, or, even worse, believe it is just that Ferrari get preferential treatment, as well as not giving a flying f*** about any other teams in the sport, of which at least two or three can claim to have done a hell of a lot more for Formula One than the Maranello mob and their FIA buddies. As for all these Ferrari herds you mention, it's very easy to jump on the bandwagon when Ferrari are winning, not so easy when the team were inept. I remember when McLaren were wiping the floor with absolutely everybody, and then when Williams doing the same thing and, borrow in Italy and San Marino, you could barely see a Ferrari fan around. Where was the passion then, Gregg?

The way I see it is that Ferrari do get some preferential treatment but no where in hell as much as is bandied around here.
I liken it to the preferential treatment Brazil gets form the FIFA in the football world or any team get in just about any sport when they are playing at home. Ferrari is the FIA cash cow because it is the most popular, successful and famous team there is. It’s business & it may stink but that’s the way the world operates.
What I find extremely lamby from the McLaren herd is that they constantly attribute this preferential treatment as all encompassing and as being the ONLY reason Ferrari have been so successful.
It’s the biggest copout there is and is just another big fat convenient excuse for a non performing or loosing team from true lamb fans.
Ferrari have there lambs on mass and I know it but don’t kid yourself, making feeble excuses for everything is just as bad.

"Three or four teams done more for F1 than Ferrari." That is very debatable mate but when you boil it down the proof is in the eating, as they say & which team ticks most of the boxes Oh yeh they only got there because of the FIA

I also remember when McLaren & Williams were wiping the floor with everybody & from what I remember Ferrari were still tops in the Fan/lamb stakes hands down.
In fact I think you will find in those days of less media coverage most of the general non F1 public would have been hard pressed to even name another F1 team.

[texasmr2]

when have i stated that McLaren are such?

That was a poor choice of word's mate and not what I meant, thank's for pointing out my error.

Where was the passion then, Gregg?

Lurking in the shadow's like a cat ready to POUNCE at a moment's notice!!

[McLaren Fan]

It’s the biggest copout there is and is just another big fat convenient excuse for a non performing or loosing team from true lamb fans.

I refer you to my posts made on page one of this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3320 .

[Rivelution]

Looks like this thread turned into another Ferrari vs. McLaren battle

[AKR]

Well lets bring this back to the original topic. If what is in this article is true then Ron Dennis could be in further trouble.

Novak stands by McLaren comments
By Forumula1.com on Friday, May 2, 2008
Filed Under: F1 News

Radovan Novak, the head of the Czech Automobile Association who controversially suggested that Ron Dennis and McLaren helped to bring the Max Mosley umpalumpa scandal into the public eye in the belief that the matter is related to last year’s espionage saga, is standing by his comments.

Talking to Prague radio station Radio Impuls, Novak claimed that McLaren could have been involved in the setup against Mosley.

Ron Dennis has denied that he had any involvement in the matter and the McLaren team have written to Novak asking him to clarify what he said.

A statement released by Dennis read, “As I have consistently said whenever I have been asked about this, I categorically deny that I have anything to do with the News of the World investigation into Mr Mosley.

“Neither does anyone connected with the McLaren Group or the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team. And neither does any agent or any other party acting on my behalf or anyone connected with the McLaren Group or the team.”

Despite McLaren’s denial of any form of involvement at the letter asking for clarification, Novak has told the Czech Press Agency that he stands by his comments. “It is definitely one of the possibilities every intelligent person has to consider,” he explained. “But then maybe Mr Mosley already knows who was behing it.”
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[AKR]

o, it's not. It's good to see your not sitting on the fence as you normally do and are siding with your beloved Ferrari. Our problem is with the Ferrari lambs who deny Ferrari get preferential treatment, or, even worse, believe it is just that Ferrari get preferential treatment, as well as not giving a flying f*** about any other teams in the sport, of which at least two or three can claim to have done a hell of a lot more for Formula One than the Maranello mob and their FIA buddies. As for all these Ferrari herds you mention, it's very easy to jump on the bandwagon when Ferrari are winning, not so easy when the team were inept. I remember when McLaren were wiping the floor with absolutely everybody, and then when Williams doing the same thing and, borrow in Italy and San Marino, you could barely see a Ferrari fan around. Where was the passion then, Gregg?

Oh I must comment on this one. That to me is a load of crap. Basicaly I have always followed Ferrari and was there and watching races when McLaren and Williams were the best teams. In fact it is this and the fact that at the time Ferrari hadn't won for so long and the fact that I had never been born to of ever had seen Ferrari win anything that fuelled my hate for McLaren more and more. When Ferrari eventually won a Constructors title in 1999 (After 16 years and for me at age 14) and a Drivers Title in 2000 (After 21 years and for me age 15), I was very happy. But to me a win wasn't enough. Ferrari had to keep winning and winning to make up for all those lost years. And so it was never enough for me when Ferrari dominated up until 2004, it wasn't enough that Ferrari won all last year at the expense of McLaren being humilated after the Spygate affair. I want McLaren not to win for at least 10 years and see what it is like as well. Yeah I can see a lot of you McLaren Lambs building up hate towards Ferrari just like I did in the 90s. Good, now you can all finally see how it feels. I hope Ferrari keeps on winning and winning for some time still and when it isn't Ferrari it is BMW, Renault or someone else, just as long as it isn't McLaren.

[darwin dali]

o, it's not. It's good to see your not sitting on the fence as you normally do and are siding with your beloved Ferrari. Our problem is with the Ferrari lambs who deny Ferrari get preferential treatment, or, even worse, believe it is just that Ferrari get preferential treatment, as well as not giving a flying f*** about any other teams in the sport, of which at least two or three can claim to have done a hell of a lot more for Formula One than the Maranello mob and their FIA buddies. As for all these Ferrari herds you mention, it's very easy to jump on the bandwagon when Ferrari are winning, not so easy when the team were inept. I remember when McLaren were wiping the floor with absolutely everybody, and then when Williams doing the same thing and, borrow in Italy and San Marino, you could barely see a Ferrari fan around. Where was the passion then, Gregg?

Oh I must comment on this one. That to me is a load of crap. Basicaly I have always followed Ferrari and was there and watching races when McLaren and Williams were the best teams. In fact it is this and the fact that at the time Ferrari hadn't won for so long and the fact that I had never been born to of ever had seen Ferrari win anything that fuelled my hate for McLaren more and more. When Ferrari eventually won a Constructors title in 1999 (After 16 years and for me at age 14) and a Drivers Title in 2000 (After 21 years and for me age 15), I was very happy. But to me a win wasn't enough. Ferrari had to keep winning and winning to make up for all those lost years. And so it was never enough for me when Ferrari dominated up until 2004, it wasn't enough that Ferrari won all last year at the expense of McLaren being humilated after the Spygate affair. I want McLaren not to win for at least 10 years and see what it is like as well. Yeah I can see a lot of you McLaren Lambs building up hate towards Ferrari just like I did in the 90s. Good, now you can all finally see how it feels. I hope Ferrari keeps on winning and winning for some time still and when it isn't Ferrari it is BMW, Renault or someone else, just as long as it isn't McLaren.

A bit harsh

[AKR]

o, it's not. It's good to see your not sitting on the fence as you normally do and are siding with your beloved Ferrari. Our problem is with the Ferrari lambs who deny Ferrari get preferential treatment, or, even worse, believe it is just that Ferrari get preferential treatment, as well as not giving a flying f*** about any other teams in the sport, of which at least two or three can claim to have done a hell of a lot more for Formula One than the Maranello mob and their FIA buddies. As for all these Ferrari herds you mention, it's very easy to jump on the bandwagon when Ferrari are winning, not so easy when the team were inept. I remember when McLaren were wiping the floor with absolutely everybody, and then when Williams doing the same thing and, borrow in Italy and San Marino, you could barely see a Ferrari fan around. Where was the passion then, Gregg?

Oh I must comment on this one. That to me is a load of crap. Basicaly I have always followed Ferrari and was there and watching races when McLaren and Williams were the best teams. In fact it is this and the fact that at the time Ferrari hadn't won for so long and the fact that I had never been born to of ever had seen Ferrari win anything that fuelled my hate for McLaren more and more. When Ferrari eventually won a Constructors title in 1999 (After 16 years and for me at age 14) and a Drivers Title in 2000 (After 21 years and for me age 15), I was very happy. But to me a win wasn't enough. Ferrari had to keep winning and winning to make up for all those lost years. And so it was never enough for me when Ferrari dominated up until 2004, it wasn't enough that Ferrari won all last year at the expense of McLaren being humilated after the Spygate affair. I want McLaren not to win for at least 10 years and see what it is like as well. Yeah I can see a lot of you McLaren Lambs building up hate towards Ferrari just like I did in the 90s. Good, now you can all finally see how it feels. I hope Ferrari keeps on winning and winning for some time still and when it isn't Ferrari it is BMW, Renault or someone else, just as long as it isn't McLaren.

A bit harsh

I agree, but it is the truth regading why I do not like McLaren and I do not like to lie.