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[LRW]

One of the many things that saddens me about last weekend is all the part time fans coming out with all the suggestions for making it safer. Some of the crap I've read:

- closed cockpit
- remote 'pit lane limiter' that Charlie is in charge of
- no removal vehicles. Just really really big cranes.
- slow down zones like they apparently have in Le Mans.

It really is depressing.

I'm a part time fan, huh? You and cookin have been spending too much time together in the 'lewis is god' I mean 'lewis vs nico' thread

Don't be a dumbass Geet. I'm talking about the muppets on Facebook.

[geetface9]

One of the many things that saddens me about last weekend is all the part time fans coming out with all the suggestions for making it safer. Some of the crap I've read:

- closed cockpit
- remote 'pit lane limiter' that Charlie is in charge of
- no removal vehicles. Just really really big cranes.
- slow down zones like they apparently have in Le Mans.

It really is depressing.

I'm a part time fan, huh? You and cookin have been spending too much time together in the 'lewis is god' I mean 'lewis vs nico' thread

Don't be a dumbass Geet. I'm talking about the muppets on Facebook.

I'm not being a dumbass. When you mention part time fans and their suggestions and then cite one of my ideas, it's quite easy to construe that as being called a part time fan. If that's called being a dumbass then I guess my brain is about as useful as Jules' right now

[What's Burning?]

This really has affected you geet, you're extremely sensitive and what would normally be typical banter is going over your head. You should maybe just let go for a couple of days and think happy thoughts.

[What's Burning?]

The puzzling thing is there was no one anywhere near him.

[myownalias]

As a geetface has said; motorsport is inherently dangerous and all the drivers, teams, marshals and fans know this. There comes a point where the sport of over sanitized and becomes something less than what F1 is about. Were there mistakes made; almost certainly but we can not make F1 100% safe and incidents like this happen; the fact we have not had a fatal crash in 20 years; that's a testament to the safety standards in today's F1, 20 years ago; Bianchi would be dead, simple as that; we should be thankful that he is alive and has a fighting chance of recovery. If we throw a safety car every single time a crash happens, I for one would be turning away from F1, it's a dangerous sport, fact; and this is why the top drivers get paid huge paychecks, statistically, F1 drivers are more likely to get killed or badly injured in their every day road car.

[The Second Coming]

As a geetface has said; motorsport is inherently dangerous and all the drivers, teams, marshals and fans know this. There comes a point where the sport of over sanitized and becomes something less than what F1 is about. Were there mistakes made; almost certainly but we can not make F1 100% safe and incidents like this happen; the fact we have not had a fatal crash in 20 years; that's a testament to the safety standards in today's F1, 20 years ago; Bianchi would be dead, simple as that; we should be thankful that he is alive and has a fighting chance of recovery. If we throw a safety car every single time a crash happens, I for one would be turning away from F1, it's a dangerous sport, fact; and this is why the top drivers get paid huge paychecks, statistically, F1 drivers are more likely to get killed or badly injured in their every day road car.

I imagine there could be some balance...balance in the way of ongoing improvements, whether to the cars (materials, weight, etc.), track barriers, runoffs and more. Maybe all of the aforementioned. I'd hate to sit on a 20 year success story, assuming F1 has done enough so onward and upward. Personally, I don't have the answers but sometimes a wakeup call is what it takes for all concerned to have another look at continued improvements. Unfortunately for this sport, it takes something bad happening. Jules will never drive a race car again. A shame but in the full scheme of things, I really don't care that much about that. What I do care about way more is his quality of life. The same then can be said for the quality of life for everyone who climbs into a race car, marshals a race or simply attends one as a spectator. We can always improve. That isn't to say that there is a perfect fix and no one will ever be injured ever again at an F1 race meeting. There will always be risks but there is the opportunity to continually minimize those risks while still being able to put on a good show. Lots to consider. Curious what position the FIA takes in the coming weeks, months and years.

[spankyham]

One of the many things that saddens me about last weekend is all the part time fans coming out with all the suggestions for making it safer. Some of the crap I've read:

- closed cockpit
- remote 'pit lane limiter' that Charlie is in charge of
- no removal vehicles. Just really really big cranes.
- slow down zones like they apparently have in Le Mans.

It really is depressing.

I'm a part time fan, huh? You and cookin have been spending too much time together in the 'lewis is god' I mean 'lewis vs nico' thread

Don't be a dumbass Geet. I'm talking about the muppets on Facebook.

I'm not being a dumbass. When you mention part time fans and their suggestions and then cite one of my ideas, it's quite easy to construe that as being called a part time fan. If that's called being a dumbass then I guess my brain is about as useful as Jules' right now

I thought your comments made sense.

The skirts could be added easily and cheaply to any existing tractor. If a skirt had been in place Jules would not have gone under, the car would have crumpled as it is designed to do and absorb a lot of impact.

The cherry-pick lift crane option is also very good for any new units to be purchased or replaced. They can lift vehicles from a distance. Again in this case, it could have lifted Sutil's car whilst staying behind the barrier and Jules would have run into the barrier as Sutil did.

[spankyham]

As a geetface has said; motorsport is inherently dangerous and all the drivers, teams, marshals and fans know this. There comes a point where the sport of over sanitized and becomes something less than what F1 is about. Were there mistakes made; almost certainly but we can not make F1 100% safe and incidents like this happen; the fact we have not had a fatal crash in 20 years; that's a testament to the safety standards in today's F1, 20 years ago; Bianchi would be dead, simple as that; we should be thankful that he is alive and has a fighting chance of recovery. If we throw a safety car every single time a crash happens, I for one would be turning away from F1, it's a dangerous sport, fact; and this is why the top drivers get paid huge paychecks, statistically, F1 drivers are more likely to get killed or badly injured in their every day road car.

I imagine there could be some balance...balance in the way of ongoing improvements, whether to the cars (materials, weight, etc.), track barriers, runoffs and more. Maybe all of the aforementioned. I'd hate to sit on a 20 year success story, assuming F1 has done enough so onward and upward. Personally, I don't have the answers but sometimes a wakeup call is what it takes for all concerned to have another look at continued improvements. Unfortunately for this sport, it takes something bad happening. Jules will never drive a race car again. A shame but in the full scheme of things, I really don't care that much about that. What I do care about way more is his quality of life. The same then can be said for the quality of life for everyone who climbs into a race car, marshals a race or simply attends one as a spectator. We can always improve. That isn't to say that there is a perfect fix and no one will ever be injured ever again at an F1 race meeting. There will always be risks but there is the opportunity to continually minimize those risks while still being able to put on a good show. Lots to consider. Curious what position the FIA takes in the coming weeks, months and years.

Good post

[LRW]

I'm not being a dumbass. When you mention part time fans and their suggestions and then cite one of my ideas, it's quite easy to construe that as being called a part time fan. If that's called being a dumbass then I guess my brain is about as useful as Jules' right now

Which one is your idea?

[racechick]

My immediate thought on hearing what happened was, is there a way to screen the recovery trucks with a mobile tyre barrier or something attached to the trucks. I posted this idea too Geet, it's not dumb, I think it's worth considering. Other than that I'm with Myown on this. It's a dangerous sport and will remain a dangerous sport. Crossing the road can result in death, driving a racing car, the odds of an accident go up, the drivers know this and chose to race anyway.
Safety rules are in place, and safety rules were followed. If anything, race control were over cautious at the start of the race. Blame cannot be laid at their door.The situation here was just very bad luck,a freak accident.

It's very different to ignoring safety rules. Like the Ferrari in the pitlane situation, and worse than that in my mind, is the non deployment of the safety car when a car was stranded on track, on a corner in Germany and Marshall's were on track trying to retrieve it. Had anything happenned to those Marshall's that would have been unforgivable, especially since the reason for non deployment was a corrupt reason. Safety was badly compromised there.

[LRW]

Just seen this on Facebook.

Another voice of reason amongst the sea of jerk reactions:

http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/2271/

[Hammer278]

I'm actually worried now that whenever we have a simple crash somewhere, the race might be run under SC conditions for the next 15 laps at least, or maybe even red flagged until the car is recovered.

Knowing that senile clown directing races, it really isn't outside realms of possibility.

[racechick]

Just seen this on Facebook.

Another voice of reason amongst the sea of jerk reactions:

http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/2271/

That's a really good article from someone who seems to know what they're talking about.

[Jabberwocky]

I am liking the



at the top guys

[LewEngBridewell]

Just seen this on Facebook.

Another voice of reason amongst the sea of jerk reactions:

http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/2271/

That's a really good article from someone who seems to know what they're talking about.

Yup, I hope more people read that