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[geetface9]

One thing that's crossed my mind, in view of this accident and Maria's accident, when JCB/ transporter type vehicles are on track near race cars, is there some way they can be protected from impact of a race car? Maybe with a mobile tyre wall? Just a thought, tell me if I'm being stupid.

You could be on to something here and track recovery vehicles could be fitted with some sort of impact protection. F1 cars carry so much forward momentum that even at cruising speeds they could cause serious impact damage. Unlike Sutil, Bianchi went straight off the track and didn't aquaplane backwards and from the video looked to be carrying a bit more speed so he would've felt the full force of the underside of the JCB. Very very unfortunate accident that the deployment of the safety car couldn't have prevented. The race was never going to be red flagged prior to that point as several drivers have indicated that it was safe to continue.

I had mentioned something like that in the cockpit thread but perhaps the discussion is more relevant here. Maybe there's a way the tractors could have some type of safety 'skirt'? Not sure how it would work and any idea I think of involving tires surrounding the vehicle, the FIA would still have to figure out how to stop the cars from "submarining", as newey put it, under the tractors or other track-side vehicles.

Or, perhaps each grand prix could have big cranes like they do in monaco so only a couple of guys have to hop over the wall to hook up the car and then hop back over to safety quickly? idk

[spankyham]

Extremely sad news in a statement from Jules Bianchi's family confirming he has suffered a DAI. A more extensive article from James Allen >>here<<.

This is totally depressing news, but I will still hope for a miracle #ForzaJules

[Jabberwocky]

DAI on wiki http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuse_axonal_injury



It does say it happens in most head injuries. Just how bad is it is the question

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[What's Burning?]

There are a ton of things that can be done to help, there are attached barriers that highway repair trucks use to prevent cars from rear ending them, you could even use some type of layered netting like they use to catch damaged jets as they land onto aircraft carriers. Lack of ideas is not the problem. It's who is going to pay for them and maintain them? It's not Bernie and the venue operators are already squeezed dry.

There's a cost to absolute safety absolutely.

[The Second Coming]

So, I'm curious to hear everyone's take on a closed cockpit F1 car. People like Rob Smedley and the like have stood up in support of a change. Does that ultimately change the way we look at the sport? Does the lack of risk minimize the value we place on F1? Is the sport greater than the lives that help to make it what it is? Hmm...

[What's Burning?]

This is a good writeup on the accident with facts of what happened not just an emotional reaction or anger as to why or who it happened to. Safety is a common theme Spanky, and you argued long and hard about Ferrari mechanics being on the grid trying to get Alonso's car up and running and that was okay in your opinion, so after reading now the Jules thread in the mia scuderia lounge, I wonder how you can have such laxed opinions on safety in one situation and such harsh opinions on safety in another. An even worse situation manifested itself in Hockenheim with a half dozen marshals pushing a car stalled in the middle of the track without a SC being deployed yet we didn't hear a peep of ire from the masses or FiA officials and F1 talking heads. Safety is implemented to prevent injuries not to cry foul after an injury has happened.

[LiamCatterson]

Just came in to hear Jules may never race again and that Crap man....

[LH44]

This is a good writeup on the accident with facts of what happened not just an emotional reaction or anger as to why or who it happened to. Safety is a common theme Spanky, and you argued long and hard about Ferrari mechanics being on the grid trying to get Alonso's car up and running and that was okay in your opinion, so after reading now the Jules thread in the mia scuderia lounge, I wonder how you can have such laxed opinions on safety in one situation and such harsh opinions on safety in another. An even worse situation manifested itself in Hockenheim with a half dozen marshals pushing a car stalled in the middle of the track without a SC being deployed yet we didn't hear a peep of ire from the masses or FiA officials and F1 talking heads. Safety is implemented to prevent injuries not to cry foul after an injury has happened.

Thanks for the link. Very good analysis supported by clear video evidence of the incompetence that went on in the immediate aftermath of Sutil's crash. What surprised me was the initial lack of urgency by the marshals after Bianchi crashed. The flag waver actually carried on waving the green flag after the crash. Clear communication mishmash going on at this point. It was like back in the 70s when people used to die in race cars and marshals simply stood around smoking fags. It looked like someone finally climbed up the gantry and told the marshal to switch flags. In a dire situation like this, every second matters to the victim. They just did not appear to grasp the gravity of what had just happened. I don't blame them though. This crash was the culmination of complacency by FIA, Charlie Whiting and his minions . There's a clear imbalance between safety, racing and the commercial interests of F1. Let's be honest, had Bianchi escaped unhurt, the race would've probably continued.

[geetface9]

So, I'm curious to hear everyone's take on a closed cockpit F1 car. People like Rob Smedley and the like have stood up in support of a change. Does that ultimately change the way we look at the sport? Does the lack of risk minimize the value we place on F1? Is the sport greater than the lives that help to make it what it is? Hmm...

Given that the most traumatic accidents in the last 20 years since senna's and roland's deaths have been massa's and bianchi's injuries, I say we all know the risks, drivers, fans, and spectators alike, so if one does not like it, one should not participate. That's not to say I don't want to see safety innovations. However, I absolutely do not question what I'm watching and why I'm watching it because somebody gets injured or killed, especially since in the last 20 years no one has died and injuries are relatively few and far between. Maybe that's the motorcyclist in me, idk. The day I signed for my motorcycle endorsement was the day I accepted I could be maimed, mangled, paralyzed, dismembered, comatose, or killed at any point in the future. And I did it with a smile.

[LRW]

One of the many things that saddens me about last weekend is all the part time fans coming out with all the suggestions for making it safer. Some of the crap I've read:

- closed cockpit
- remote 'pit lane limiter' that Charlie is in charge of
- no removal vehicles. Just really really big cranes.
- slow down zones like they apparently have in Le Mans.

It really is depressing.

[sagi58]

This is a good writeup on the accident with facts of what happened not just an emotional reaction or anger as to why or who it happened to...

Around the 1:10 mark on the video in the article, you can see just how close one of the marshals was to being killed.
He realizes he is in danger of being hit by Bianchi and suddenly stops in his tracks.

Is it possible that Bianchi may have seen him and tried to avoid hitting him?

[LRW]

This is a good writeup on the accident with facts of what happened not just an emotional reaction or anger as to why or who it happened to...

Around the 1:10 mark on the video in the article, you can see just how close one of the marshals was to being killed.
He realizes he is in danger of being hit by Bianchi and suddenly stops in his tracks.

Is it possible that Bianchi may have seen him and tried to avoid hitting him?

At the speed he was doing. In the wet conditions. Not a chance.

[sagi58]

At the speed he was doing. In the wet conditions. Not a chance.

You're probably right!! Thanks!!

[Jabberwocky]

I wonder if driving to a delta and not to what was safe had anything to do with it

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[geetface9]

One of the many things that saddens me about last weekend is all the part time fans coming out with all the suggestions for making it safer. Some of the crap I've read:

- closed cockpit
- remote 'pit lane limiter' that Charlie is in charge of
- no removal vehicles. Just really really big cranes.
- slow down zones like they apparently have in Le Mans.

It really is depressing.

I'm a part time fan, huh? You and cookin have been spending too much time together in the 'lewis is god' I mean 'lewis vs nico' thread