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[darwin dali]

Poor Vettel, he has barely driven a race

He has been in a number of accidents hasn't he - does he bring it on himself?

I would say yes and no.

Gee, you committed yourself pretty firmly here, eh?

I'd say if you consider qualifying at the back of the grid - a prerequisite for getting into that kind of mess - as bringing it on himself, then yes. E.g., the last incident in Barcelona was completely out of his control and not his fault. I don't remember the other ones, so it might be fifty-fifty or in the words of Gregg: yes and no

[texasmr2]

Poor Vettel, he has barely driven a race

He has been in a number of accidents hasn't he - does he bring it on himself?

I would say yes and no.

Gee, you committed yourself pretty firmly here, eh?

I'd say if you consider qualifying at the back of the grid - a prerequisite for getting into that kind of mess - as bringing it on himself, then yes. E.g., the last incident in Barcelona was completely out of his control and not his fault. I don't remember the other ones, so it might be fifty-fifty or in the words of Gregg: yes and no

It took NO LESS than 73 word's from you to eventually agree with me?

[Hanwombat]

Poor Vettel, he has barely driven a race

He has been in a number of accidents hasn't he - does he bring it on himself?

At times I think he just needs widely open eyes

[Denthúl]

I think some of Vettel's incidents have come from those mirrors. Remember that Coulthard ended up closing the door on Massa and then Button because of them? Well, though those are changed on the RB4, the STR2 has them. That should be changed at Turkey, seeing as Toro Rosso are getting the new car, but aside from Australia, Vettel hasn't really been that impressive in his time on the track.

Somehow I don't think he'll have the front-runners looking at him for a while.

Sutil is having a pretty bad season, too. He's either cracking under the pressure of having Fisi as a team mate or just illustrating how bad Albers and Yamamoto were.

[f1ea]

Vettel has been really unfortunate this year (it doesn't help when you start from the back, but sitll he's been really unlucky). He also had more expectations and eyes on him than... Nakajima for example. So I guess Naka has been a 'surprise'. Very few were mentioning him (he showed decent pace and all) but most were focusing on higher profiled guys like Piquet and Bourdais. I still expect Bourdais and even Piquet to shape up and show better consistent performances, let's say by mid season...

Also, there definitely will be a considerable increase in crashes form 'door closing' in 08. The cars this yr. have less visibility due to the rising of the driver's side protection.

[darwin dali]

Poor Vettel, he has barely driven a race

He has been in a number of accidents hasn't he - does he bring it on himself?

I would say yes and no.

Gee, you committed yourself pretty firmly here, eh?

I'd say if you consider qualifying at the back of the grid - a prerequisite for getting into that kind of mess - as bringing it on himself, then yes. E.g., the last incident in Barcelona was completely out of his control and not his fault. I don't remember the other ones, so it might be fifty-fifty or in the words of Gregg: yes and no

It took NO LESS than 73 word's from you to eventually agree with me?

What can I say? I'm chatty but fabulous!

[deMuRe]

But Webber's actually having a decent year now that the car isn't constantly falling apart or his engine exploding.

Maybe he's obtained "good karma" after the way he rightfully slagged off Mad Max. I've not liked him since his scandalous comments about Williams when he left them, but at least he's redeemed himself slightly through saying what pretty much every F1 fan thinks right now about Mad Max right now.

Am I the only fan in F1 that likes Max Moseley? He's had to put up with a lot of sh!t to make what Bernie wants happen.

Bernie put him in place because he's articulate and intelligent and could put a nice spin on all of Bernie's dirty work...

[Hanwombat]

Max Mosley is nothing more than a Pervert and a creep

[darwin dali]

Max Mosley is nothing more than a Pervert and a creep

A bit harsh

[deMuRe]

Max Mosley is nothing more than a Pervert and a creep

Wait until everything sags on your body and the only way you can get a young girl is to pay for it.

Jesus bud you are such a militant with regards to McLaren I can see you dressing up like a concentration camp officer and ordering around a few naked young girls when you get older.

[f1ea]

Jesus bud you are such a militant with regards to McLaren I can see you dressing up like a concentration camp officer and ordering around a few naked young girls when you get older.

When he gets older??!
I'd be tempted to do that now!

[darwin dali]

Jesus bud you are such a militant with regards to McLaren I can see you dressing up like a concentration camp officer and ordering around a few naked young girls when you get older.

When he gets older??!
I'd be tempted to do that now!

You're welcome for a few lessons at DD's Dungeon - I can show you the ropes

[bud]

Jesus bud you are such a militant with regards to McLaren I can see you dressing up like a concentration camp officer and ordering around a few naked young girls when you get older.

na assuming i marry my gf by then i woudlnt cheat on my wife dude Max is a CHEAT