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[Martin]

Briefly discussed at the end of the meeting was the plight of embattled FIA President Max Mosley, but three teams - Ferrari, Red Bull and Toro Rosso - vetoed a proposal to issue a joint statement asking for the 68-year-old Briton to step down.

Just read about this in the Sunday Times-they met with Bernie but he walked out when 3 teams decided not to sign. I excpected it from Ferrari And I guess Toro Rosso In the Times it said the 3rd team was Wiliams I was suprised at that. I can understand it more if it was red bull siding with Toro rosso who side with Ferrari.
Hope its not Williams, didnt think that would be their style. Just read it again, it definately said williams. It also said 10 of the 11 teams met to sign the letter...so that could mean 4- Williams as well Anyone got any more info?

The article also said that some big motoring organisations(Like AAA in America) are thinking of pulling out of the FIA if he continues and setting up another organisation. They represent 1000 of motorists and many sporting clubs but only get the same vote as the vatican or small countries with little motoring interest (who of course are eager to court Max ) Good on you AAA!!!!

As I understand it, Jacky Stewart has again said that MMs position is untenable and called for him to step down. he tried to arrange for all teams to sign a motion. I heard that Bernie agreed to sign up too, if all other teams did. He was on a fairly safe bet there because there is no way that Ferrari will sign. I am also disappointed if the 3rd team was Williams. Frank has never had much time for MM so I am surprised. I wonder if pressure has been applied by Ferrari to Toro Rosso? Its about presidents - not engines.
MM has hired a detective agency headed by John Stevens, former Met. Police Commissioner, in his pursuit of the News of the World.

[Denthúl]

I think it's more likely to be Super Aguri, as Jensonb said.

[bud]

well according to F1-live.com they say WIlliams was against signing the call for Max to step down because there is moves behind the scenes for Jean Todt to take his place.

if thats the case i think id rather Max aswell

man i wish the GPMA got a series off the ground a few years ago.
a series designed to please the fans and the manufacturers minus the politics!

[Martin]

well according to F1-live.com they say WIlliams was against signing the call for Max to step down because there is moves behind the scenes for Jean Todt to take his place.

if thats the case i think id rather Max aswell

man i wish the GPMA got a series off the ground a few years ago.
a series designed to please the fans and the manufacturers minus the politics!

Oh no, that is a worry, but does explain why Frank was opposed. Don't all members get a vote? does J.T. really have that much support, despite the fact that he works for a manufacturer. Ferrari is involved in other motor sport. Cant really be anyone's favourite can he?
Out of the cesspit into the sewer pool.
There are so many good people that could do that job, why JT?
Fans need a vote, the FIA seems very incestuous. Someone recently asked if JT was holding the camera @ MMs 'party' because they were such good mates. Maybe JT was holding the camera - cos JT wanted the job!!

[texasmr2]

man i wish the GPMA got a series off the ground a few years ago. a series designed to please the fans and the manufacturers minus the politics!

I agree with that in a sense but would the ramification's damage the FIA as a whole?

[McLaren Fan]

Let's face it, the FIA is a law unto itself. Therefore, who would seriously oppose it (and Ecclestone)?, especially if you are a smaller team (which is what Williams have become). We have seen the fallout only last season for McLaren and Ron Dennis challenging the FIA and Ecclestone by being the biggest advocate for a breakaway series, and thus forcing the Concorde Agreement to be renegotiated - as well as Max Mosley's jealousy of Ron Dennis, of course. Williams were up to their eyeballs in calling for a breakaway series as well. Sir Frank Williams is right, therefore, to look after his own team.

If Jean Todt is going to be the new FIA leader, which is not very unlikely, I would rather Mosley stayed as well! He can't do much more damage that what he has already done to Formula One and McLaren (well...), and could possibly be controlled more given his position of power has had a demolition ball taken to it.

As for Ferrari, Red Bull-Torro Rosso (they're the same thing) saying no to the joint statement, that's further proof that Ferrari and the FIA are bed together. Still, the Ferrari lambs will insist there were other motives for this and it just happens to be yet another massive coincidence.

[texasmr2]

Let's face it, the FIA is a law unto itself. Therefore, who would seriously oppose it (and Ecclestone)?, especially if you are a smaller team (which is what Williams have become). We have seen the fallout only last season for McLaren and Ron Dennis challenging the FIA and Ecclestone by being the biggest advocate for a breakaway series, and thus forcing the Concorde Agreement to be renegotiated - as well as Max Mosley's jealousy of Ron Dennis, of course. Williams were up to their eyeballs in calling for a breakaway series as well. Sir Frank Williams is right, therefore, to look after his own team.

If Jean Todt is going to be the new FIA leader, which is not very unlikely, I would rather Mosley stayed as well! He can't do much more damage that what he has already done to Formula One and McLaren (well...), and could possibly be controlled more given his position of power has had a demolition ball taken to it.

As for Ferrari, Red Bull-Torro Rosso (they're the same thing) saying no to the joint statement, that's further proof that Ferrari and the FIA are bed together. Still, the Ferrari lambs will insist there were other motives for this and it just happens to be yet another massive coincidence.

I agree with you mate, JT should not even be considered for the position.

[phren]

well according to F1-live.com they say WIlliams was against signing the call for Max to step down because there is moves behind the scenes for Jean Todt to take his place.

if thats the case i think id rather Max aswell

man i wish the GPMA got a series off the ground a few years ago.
a series designed to please the fans and the manufacturers minus the politics!

Its not over, think I posted somewhere here that a Trans Atlantic series was being mooted, the AAA statement could be a precursor to this. I did hear, as I mentioned, that a couple of current F1 teams and Euro based car manufacturers who are also UK team partners were looking into it seriously. Would not take a genius to work out which teams are thinking along these lines, but was not aware that Williams were one of them. Might allow Williams to sort out an engine partner if you think about it, an incentive they may find hard to resist. The name Jorden keeps coming up as well, great for fans. No Bernie, no FIA, it's begining to look better and better.