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[spankyham]

Trying to watch flashing lights and interpret morse code whilst negotiating tricky corners at speed and overtake traffic sounds a little hairy to me.

They do that and a lot more now.

[racechick]

Trying to watch flashing lights and interpret morse code whilst negotiating tricky corners at speed and overtake traffic sounds a little hairy to me.

They do that and a lot more now.

I know they do a lot now but if all the spoken messages become coded that's a whole raft more things to watch out for not less.

[spankyham]

Trying to watch flashing lights and interpret morse code whilst negotiating tricky corners at speed and overtake traffic sounds a little hairy to me.

They do that and a lot more now.

I know they do a lot now but if all the spoken messages become coded that's a whole raft more things to watch out for not less.

They have normal and coded messages now and they would have the same after. They will only code the messages they are not supposed to give or the ones they don't want the other teams to know - just like now.

[racechick]

Trying to watch flashing lights and interpret morse code whilst negotiating tricky corners at speed and overtake traffic sounds a little hairy to me.

They do that and a lot more now.

I know they do a lot now but if all the spoken messages become coded that's a whole raft more things to watch out for not less.

They have normal and coded messages now and they would have the same after. They will only code the messages they are not supposed to give or the ones they don't want the other teams to know - just like now.

Yes. Except they just got told no spoken messages about driver or car performance. So now there are a lot more flashing lights and bleeps to watch out for, and watching out and responding in kind is a lot more distracting than just listening and speaking. EVERYTHING regarding driver or car performance will now have to be coded.

[CookinFlat6]

Trying to watch flashing lights and interpret morse code whilst negotiating tricky corners at speed and overtake traffic sounds a little hairy to me.

They do that and a lot more now.

I know they do a lot now but if all the spoken messages become coded that's a whole raft more things to watch out for not less.

They have normal and coded messages now and they would have the same after. They will only code the messages they are not supposed to give or the ones they don't want the other teams to know - just like now.

Erm, except now they are coding messages to openly hide from other teams, next race they will be coding messages to hide what they are not supposed to be hiding - a different level of encryption AND transmission

[spankyham]

The more I think about this the sillier and poorly thought through it appears. You can give messages about safety but not about brake and tire wear. Those are going to intersect for sure.

[racechick]

On that Spanky I agree. There will be lots of controversial penalties and unfairness. But where would the FIA be without its ability to dish out unfairness as the mood takes it.

I agree with the principal of handing back control to drivers, but maybe a little more thought and introduce something better for next season that relies less on the mood and allegiances of some of the stewards.

[CookinFlat6]

Looking back at recent race edits a lot of the info is just noise and is not needed. The stuff that some drivers will miss is teammate telemetry, and nursing advice when issues especially electronic happen. That shouldn't be difficult to overcome - by having more predefined protocols for different failures. It will hand advantage to drivers who dont hang back, ironically enough it will remove a lot of the cerebral stuff that was feted for this season - the driver ahead is on 3 lap old primes? so what im gonna overtake him this lap anyway

The only way this can work without the usual controversy and leniency towards certain teams is to mandate a precise list of instructions that can be given by each team - such as 'rain in turn 3' and 'oil spill in turn 4'

But as usual this hasnt been thought through at all and there will be a lot slippage before the stewards pick on someone and penalise. I suspect it wont be a team given a 5 sec penalty for endangering the life of marshalls.

[CookinFlat6]

Interesting article on the radio coaching from before the ban

The relationship between race engineers and their drivers has always been important, nowadays even more so. But do these wannabe psychotherapists on the pitwall recognise just how influential they are? And do they understand that they run the risk of becoming little more than backseat drivers? Choice of words and tone of voice are both critical, especially as the driver can't see the facial expression and body language of whoever is talking. Imagine your partner is kindly driving you to the airport, and you pipe up: "You need to push now love, come on we really need to get past these cars. Remember to keep away from the kerbs and get off the brakes earlier. Come on, we can do this! We can get there on time!" Add a slightly sarcastic tone to this 'mind coaching' and you'll be walking before you know it. Motor racing is simply too fast for your over-loaded chattering 'monkey mind' – the logical, thinking part of your brain. He must be dumbed-down and tuned-out so the automatic, subconscious brain can take over and race without any unnecessary distraction. The 'monkey' is not asleep during the racing, while the drivers are firmly in the zone. He is merely in 'stand-by' mode. The pitwall psychotherapists may not realise it, but during races they are (temporarily) in charge of the remote control. Saying the wrong thing – in the wrong way – at the wrong time over the radio can switch the monkey back on, and suddenly their driver is thinking about how he is racing – inevitably slower and more prone to errors. Think Sergio Perez in the Malaysian GP of 2012

The bolded bit is where I think drivers like Lewis will benefit over the Nicos. Nico thinks too much and needs to much info, he will be forced to think more on his feet - this is not going to improve his racecraft

[racechick]

I read something some time ago about this sort of thing, ' the monkey' . Like when Senna was 'in the zone' , doing insane times and when told to slow, he crashed. Overthinking things can just tighten everything up and stop instinctive reactions. Drivers need info if a problem is occurring but so many engineers seem insensitive to the driver they are informing, out of tune to what the driver needs and when he needs it. Good, talented, instinctive drivers will be better off without a lot of the 'in yer 'ear, in yer 'ear, in yer 'ear stuff.

[CookinFlat6]

every sporting endeavour we do well at, we do without conscious thought - everything, and anyone who has ever raced at high speeds on a track will know that at some point you hand over to some unknown force that makes the decisions and has situational awareness thats not logic or education but purely holistic. You just feel all the inputs at once, like Clarkson said ( and I modify a little) if you drove over and squashed someones pet hamster in that zone you would know what umpalumpa it was by the amount of feel coming through the steering wheel, suspension, your backside etc etc

This is why its so funny that so many were very happy thinking Lewis was gonna fail this year because he only has o level maths and wouldnt be do the engineering calculations at 200 mph. Well the Nicos were not doing those sums either, they were getting it from the engineers while Lewis was getting it through the seat of his pants.

I like Nico despite all thats happened and I hope he restores some rep before season end, I suspect that the real differences between them will become apparent when its man and machine. Also at least the Merc garage never has to endure a conversation like this

'I couldnt drive faster as I had no grip'

'oh my teammate went faster in same car same conditions?'

'something strange happened to my cars balance, it just disappeared between Q2 and Q3, my engineers are gonna have to spend all our resources looking into this mysterious glitch that has happened again to upset our balance'

'what did you say boss?, yes i am very disturbing indeed, see you in the showers later'

[sagi58]

Trying to watch flashing lights and interpret morse code whilst negotiating tricky corners at speed and overtake traffic sounds a little hairy to me.

They do that and a lot more now.

I know they do a lot now but if all the spoken messages become coded that's a whole raft more things to watch out for not less.

They have normal and coded messages now and they would have the same after. They will only code the messages they are not supposed to give or the ones they don't want the other teams to know - just like now.

Right now, there seems to be a plethora of information, some of which the drivers want and possibly more that they don't want.
I'm thinking the teams will prioritize pertinent information and relay that in code.

Editor-in-Chief - posted in response to spanky's comment,
BEFORE others had been read.

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[racechick]

There's a few drivers , naming no names, gonna struggle with that. And one , naming no name, will either have to be loaded with fuel or risk running out if it .
But really, that list is going to be so difficult to police and difficult to remember.

No warning of tyre pressures/ wear or brake temperatures after Japan? Isn't that dangerous?