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[Jabberwocky]

I have been trying to make my mind up on if I like this new rule or not. In the long run it does not really bother me, the only time I can see it being interesting is at the start when someone has not warmed the brakes up enough and goes wading info the 1st corner. Plus the same thing after a safety car.

Maybe the teams will be busy beavering away getting the car to recognise brake/tyre temperatures are off and to tell the driver on his nice new display system.

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[Ferrari man 009]

This should be interesting.

Brings up an unrelated point though... if they FiA can make decisions like this and just implement them without the usual "we'd have to put it out for teams to vote" crap. Why can't they do the same for the moronic double points race?

Maybe the teams agreed it at the special meeting Bernie arranged on Friday at Monza?

[Jabberwocky]

I heard Bernie wrote the agenda on the back of a €1,000 note

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[sagi58]

No, I think not, but this might be ..
Driver : am I loosing time in turn one?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 2?
Pit: no
Driver turn3?
Driver: turn 4?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 5?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 6?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 7?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 8?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 9?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 10?
Pit: yes!

Hopefully, no one responds with after that many questions!!

[Frontrunner]

Nothing will change anyway, the teams and drivers will work a around it in code messages or some other way and there is nothing the Fia can do about it. If Ferrari got away with team orders in Germany 2010, then teams can easily get away with this.

[racechick]

No, I think not, but this might be ..
Driver : am I loosing time in turn one?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 2?
Pit: no
Driver turn3?
Driver: turn 4?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 5?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 6?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 7?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 8?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 9?
Pit: no
Driver: turn 10?
Pit: yes!

Hopefully, no one responds with after that many questions!!

No they can't say bingo. Only yes or no.

[What's Burning?]

Really good Q&A session from the folks at GPUpdate as to what is and isn't allowed. They're more restrictive than I thought!

Q: Will race control first give a warning if a team goes too far, or will there be an instant sanction?
FIA: With a clear set of guidelines, we see no reason for there to be warnings.

Q: Does Article 20.1 of the Sporting Regulations (stating that a driver must drive the car alone and unaided) only apply to the race or also to practice sessions and qualifying?
FIA: It will apply to the entire event.

Q: Is the message that a driver should come in for a pit-stop a breach of the regulations?
FIA: We think that it would be OK to allow teams to tell drivers when to stop for tyres.

Q: Is a warning that the driver is tight on fuel consumption a breach of the regulations?
FIA: Yes, we believe so. The driver should see that on the dashboard (like a fuel gauge on a road car). *

Q: Are warnings about the condition of the brakes or tyres (slow puncture) still allowed?
FIA: No, this should be displayed to the driver from data gathered onboard, again like a fuel gauge.

Q: Are commands such as SOC 3, MIX 5, FUEL 2 still allowed?
FIA: No, definitely not. This is exactly what we feel infringes Article 20.1.

Q: What about all of the instructions the drivers receive on a formation lap in order to warm up the tyres and brakes, synchronise the gearbox, carry out burnouts and so on?
FIA: None of this would be allowed as again, this is exactly what we feel infringes Article 20.1.

Q: What about team orders (overtake, do not overtake)?
FIA: This should be OK.

Q: What about information regarding traffic in qualifying and the race?
FIA: This will not be a problem.

Q: Will the radio messages of all 22 cars be checked, or just those on the world feed?
FIA: We listen to and record all the conversations.

* Not all the teams race with the new, larger LCD display screens – such as Red Bull, Williams and Lotus – meaning they would have to consider switching or face leaving their drivers with less information.

[geetface9]

This is just $#@!*& retarded to me. Let's not try to get the absolute maximum from the fastest track cars in the world.

[Hammer278]

Actually I kinda like it.

[LRW]

Yeah its even more restrictive than I first thought!

And this is being brought in from next race? Nothing like a good old mid-season rule change to fuuck things around.

This will really separate the men from the boys. the drivers from the cruisers.

[Ferrari man 009]

If Ferrari got away with team orders in Germany 2010, then teams can easily get away with this.

After watching Rosberg at Monza last week, I have a new theory about Germany.

Alonso was catching Massa so Rob Smedley radio'd Massa to say "Alonso is faster than you" to get Massa to speed up. In his haste he missed a gear on the exit of the chicane and Alonso nipped past.

Sound reasonable after recent events

[Hammer278]

I don't think the system allows you to miss gears. Which is why if you have a gearbox issue you're pretty much f*cked since the system will force you through the sequence and wreck the box.

Maybe your foot slipping over the accelerator out of a corner is more like it.

[akeizm]

Will the team get in trouble if the car has a problem and the driver/pit are communicating trying to fix the problem? Or will they just let the driver be gimped until he pits.

[Hammer278]

Will the team get in trouble if the car has a problem and the driver/pit are communicating trying to fix the problem? Or will they just let the driver be gimped until he pits.

No this is performance related ban. If the driver has a problem with his car and needs to rectify the team can advise.

But this is a good point. The driver might not have a problem but the team can classify it as a problem and 'solve' his problem by advising. "Car is not responding" meaning "how to go faster"....team says "switch to G4" (which is actually performance related).

[Ferrari man 009]

Good means the DRIVERS will actually DRIVE the car to the best of their ability rather than being told what to do. I think it will make less difference in qualifying but over a race it will show who the best drivers are.

There is a reason that suddenly 16 year olds are considered ready for F1 and that is partly in my opinion because of the amount of "outside assistance" they receive from the pits.