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[LH44]

Coulthard's take.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29110462

He's not usually so balanced but there's nothing major to disagree with if you're an at least half normal individual.

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Rosberg is more cerebral, Jenson is great in changing conditions, Vettel is great over one lap, untouchable over a race distance etc These things will get regularly rolled out until we suddenly see overwhelming evidence to the contrary. To be fair, Coulthard's views tend to be balanced but sometimes in an attempt to give Nico credit, he ventures into 'cop-out territory'. Like before the summer break when he said Nico was leading on merit, only to then turn around and say Hamilton would be leading if not for the reliability issues. Can't blame DC too much though. His mussings are 10times tolerable than half the crap you read on the internet. F1 is a bit of funny old game. When the stats stuck up for the driver, any dissenting voices are quickly shot down and seen as sour grapes. The perfect example is Vettel now getting spanked senseless by Ricciardo. With Rosberg, people started off by saying he wasn't good enough to win the WDC or beat Lewis. They are now talking up his competence by pointing to the stats and ignoring the fact that he's only there largely because his transgressions and ill fortune to his team mate.

[The Second Coming]

On a slightly different note, and inspired by the radio transmitting thread, I had this thought. Nico studies Lewis data intensely and tries to copy what Lewis does on the track. Lewis brakes insanely late. It was noted in that article that he was 15km an hour faster than Nico through the Lesmo's . What if Nico looked at Lewis' braking point and thought , ' right, if he can do it from there, it's doable , I'll do it" then when he got there he shat himself and bottled out. Twice.
Which sector of the track was that chicane that Nico went through?

Wait...LMAO. Emm, RC...did you say he "shat himself?" Don't know that I've ever heard this being the result of someone realizing they're not going to make a corner but I must admit, there is no confusing how descriptive it is. Brilliant!

Such fun!

[What's Burning?]

There are plenty of drivers capable of winning with the W05. The reason Nico is close it because he's always going to be 2nd or winning. The same thing for Hamilton, the same for Alonso, or Ricciardo or Maldonado for pete's sake. It's the DNF and reliability issues that have entirely dictated the season to date.

One of the reasons Monza was good was because we actually had head to head racing? When was the last time we had that? Silverstone, issues. Hungary, issues. Germany, issues. Spa, issues. it's been a long time since we've had racing.

[stonemonkey]

On a slightly different note, and inspired by the radio transmitting thread, I had this thought. Nico studies Lewis data intensely and tries to copy what Lewis does on the track. Lewis brakes insanely late. It was noted in that article that he was 15km an hour faster than Nico through the Lesmo's . What if Nico looked at Lewis' braking point and thought , ' right, if he can do it from there, it's doable , I'll do it" then when he got there he shat himself and bottled out. Twice.
Which sector of the track was that chicane that Nico went through?

The chicane was turn 1 at the end of the pit straight. i dont think he was trying to copy lewis' braking point, he was just trying to brake as late as possible, and maybe a bit put off after watching his mirrors all along the straight beforehand.

[What's Burning?]

On a slightly different note, and inspired by the radio transmitting thread, I had this thought. Nico studies Lewis data intensely and tries to copy what Lewis does on the track. Lewis brakes insanely late. It was noted in that article that he was 15km an hour faster than Nico through the Lesmo's . What if Nico looked at Lewis' braking point and thought , ' right, if he can do it from there, it's doable , I'll do it" then when he got there he shat himself and bottled out. Twice.
Which sector of the track was that chicane that Nico went through?

The chicane was turn 1 at the end of the pit straight. i dont think he was trying to copy lewis' braking point, he was just trying to brake as late as possible, and maybe a bit put off after watching his mirrors all along the straight beforehand.

[Roth]

One of the reasons Monza was good was because we actually had head to head racing? When was the last time we had that? Silverstone, issues. Hungary, issues. Germany, issues. Spa, issues. it's been a long time since we've had racing.

It was the closest we had to racing for a while. It didn't have the frisson of Bahrain, Spain or the first lap of Spa though. Hamilton was never within a second of Rosberg
until the mistake. It felt more like we were robbed of some good action, that it was building up to something without delivering. Hamilton's deserved win was a worthwhile payoff
but there was a big 'but' overshadowing it.

I can't really remember a race where these two have been close without some sort of controversy - partly manufactured, partly real. I'd like a race won without finding
out about engine modes, or dodgy poles, or engine issues, or backroom conspiracies.

[darwin dali]

It felt more like we were robbed of some good action, that it was building up to something without delivering.

Classic coitus interruptus

[What's Burning?]

He would have overtaken, that's for sure, how Nico would handle being overtaken is the part we missed.

There was no way to get within a second of anyone and not have instability. That's the reason Hamilton "ignored" team orders. I mean the suggestion of his engineer. He mentioned that it would have been way too hard to wait till the end of the race because he was unable to overtake him in the first stint with the options just for that reason. The entire weekend Hamilton handled the prime tires better. I guess Nico knew that and that's what led to his trying to do too much and muck up.

I'd like a race won without finding out about engine modes, or dodgy poles, or engine issues, or backroom conspiracies.

Why, you know how it would end, Lewis will always trump Nico unless you introduce all the unmentionables you just mentioned. We've still to see poor Nico overtake Lewis this year.

[Roth]

I wonder where he would have overtaken. He was running more downforce which would account for his ridiculous speed through the Lesmos, so he probably
would have gotten close to Rosberg in sector 2 and used better traction and DRS out of Ascari or the Para. Turn 1 would be the most likely place for
Rosberg's downfall anyway.

A bit like this. The happy ending.

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[CookinFlat6]

I wonder where he would have overtaken. He was running more downforce which would account for his ridiculous speed through the Lesmo

No it doesnt, he had the ridiculous speed advantage in those sectors over Nico all weekend and I am sure you dont think he had more downforce all weekend....do you

[Roth]

I wonder where he would have overtaken. He was running more downforce which would account for his ridiculous speed through the Lesmo

No it doesnt, he had the ridiculous speed advantage in those sectors over Nico all weekend and I am sure you dont think he had more downforce all weekend....do you

I don't know, did he. You tell me. Bring up the graphs, breakdown his set-ups session by session and how they related to his overall laptime, fuel loads, parameters for sandbagging and not just his sector times but times corner by corner and the extra speed gained in the straights from there, and times made up getting the tow from cars near enough on track, and tow/proximity ratio, then include general tyre wear and degradation tyre by tyre. Then do it for Rosberg. We'll overlay the data and then we'll extrapolate that further with some rough calculation for the coefficient of friction.

I'll stick with he had more downforce so went faster through corners and leave it at that.

[racechick]

I'm with Cookie in this. He was faster all weekend except quali2. It's been commented on by just about everyone who's commented that he had on average 2.5 seconds on Rosberg over the weekend and the Lesmos were a an example of it. Toto( I think) even said so and no mention if all that stuff you said.

[Roth]

So we're all saying he went faster, but you two are just not liking why I said he was faster.

Even though at no point have I been derogatory about Hamilton, you're still trying find a way to prove me wrong.

That's kind of weird.

[What's Burning?]

Lewis tends to gain a little more DF in high speed tracks because he's makes up for some of the speed on the straight by out braking a lot of people. Nico had the option to put more DF on his car too so he could get crazy speed on the lesmos didn't he?

I had the F1 app going all race, about 80% of the time Lewis was faster in both sector 2 and 3. Interestingly Ricciardo opted for more DF as well compared to his teammate.

[racechick]

So we're all saying he went faster, but you two are just not liking why I said he was faster.

Even though at no point have I been derogatory about Hamilton, you're still trying find a way to prove me wrong.

That's kind of weird.

No I'm not trying to prove you wrong.I could be wrong. I just don't think it's all down to set up. I think it's down to Hamilton's late braking ability.