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[Roth]

I wonder why methodical and technical Rosberg has to copy Lewis data? I wish they'd asked Scheckter that.

Scheckter, not a name that gets the blood racing when I hear it, not like the name Gilles Villeneuve. I bet the guy knows Gilles was the better driver that's why he's all over ' consistency, head down, not distracted,' talk.

The better driver that Scheckter beat to the '79 title you mean? The Scheckter who changed his driving style after being at the scene of another driver's death causing him to take a more cautious approach to the sport? If it gets the title it's a valid approach. So what if it doesn't get you all jazzed in the underpants. Maybe that's why they asked Mansell and Scheckter, because of their styles, and they can see positives in both approaches. It's a balanced piece with two good assessments of how things could play out.

And the data sharing thing. Hamilton did it to Alonso. Senna did it to Prost. Hamilton even does it to Rosberg. Everybody does it. If you want to be the best you have to learn from them. Get over it.

[Jabberwocky]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28740628
Nigel Mansell & Jody Scheckter give their opinions on LH & NR

That article seems odd. I think it is a case of an old F1 driver seeing what they did to win and imposing it onto what is happening today and as a typical racing driver can not see the advantage of the opposing view.

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[racechick]

I wonder why methodical and technical Rosberg has to copy Lewis data? I wish they'd asked Scheckter that.

Scheckter, not a name that gets the blood racing when I hear it, not like the name Gilles Villeneuve. I bet the guy knows Gilles was the better driver that's why he's all over ' consistency, head down, not distracted,' talk.

The better driver that Scheckter beat to the '79 title you mean? The Scheckter who changed his driving style after being at the scene of another driver's death causing him to take a more cautious approach to the sport? If it gets the title it's a valid approach. So what if it doesn't get you all jazzed in the underpants. Maybe that's why they asked Mansell and Scheckter, because of their styles, and they can see positives in both approaches. It's a balanced piece with two good assessments of how things could play out.

And the data sharing thing. Hamilton did it to Alonso. Senna did it to Prost. Hamilton even does it to Rosberg. Everybody does it. If you want to be the best you have to learn from them. Get over it.

Get over it? What do you mean, get over it? Get over my view and switch to yours? No thanks. Don't tell me to get over it! I don't like data sharing to the extent it currently goes on at Mercedes so you'll just have to get over that!

And yes , I'm referring to the better driver that Scheckter beat, why else do you think I mentioned him? Scheckter isn't the only driver to have confronted death, that's how it was. Giles actually died so he certainly confronted it.
And I don't jazz in my underpants. I just prefer exciting drivers to boring ones.

[CookinFlat6]

Get over it? What do you mean, get over it? Get over my view and switch to yours? No thanks. Don't tell me to get over it! I don't like data sharing to the extent it currently goes on at Mercedes so you'll just have to get over that!

And yes , I'm referring to the better driver that Scheckter beat, why else do you think I mentioned him? Scheckter isn't the only driver to have confronted death, that's how it was. Giles actually died so he certainly confronted it.
And I don't jazz in my underpants. I just prefer exciting drivers to boring ones.

RC, roth is our resident psycho-the-rapist, its not you, EVERYONE has something they need to get over, if you ever had parents then it stems from that, Lewis had a parent and thats why he has mental weakness, Lewis fans all had parents who forgot to tell them to hate the fastest driver of the generation

[Roth]

I wonder why methodical and technical Rosberg has to copy Lewis data? I wish they'd asked Scheckter that.

Scheckter, not a name that gets the blood racing when I hear it, not like the name Gilles Villeneuve. I bet the guy knows Gilles was the better driver that's why he's all over ' consistency, head down, not distracted,' talk.

The better driver that Scheckter beat to the '79 title you mean? The Scheckter who changed his driving style after being at the scene of another driver's death causing him to take a more cautious approach to the sport? If it gets the title it's a valid approach. So what if it doesn't get you all jazzed in the underpants. Maybe that's why they asked Mansell and Scheckter, because of their styles, and they can see positives in both approaches. It's a balanced piece with two good assessments of how things could play out.

And the data sharing thing. Hamilton did it to Alonso. Senna did it to Prost. Hamilton even does it to Rosberg. Everybody does it. If you want to be the best you have to learn from them. Get over it.

Get over it? What do you mean, get over it? Get over my view and switch to yours? No thanks. Don't tell me to get over it! I don't like data sharing to the extent it currently goes on at Mercedes so you'll just have to get over that!

And yes , I'm referring to the better driver that Scheckter beat, why else do you think I mentioned him? Scheckter isn't the only driver to have confronted death, that's how it was. Giles actually died so he certainly confronted it.
And I don't jazz in my underpants. I just prefer exciting drivers to boring ones.

Okay, so there's acceptable levels of data sharing, which apparently are being exceeded at Merc, even though you don't actually know the extent of those levels. Don't get in a tizzy about something so inevitable. You might aswell rage against the fact they give Rosberg a steering wheel.

My point about Scheckter was he originally drove like someone you would have liked then tempered it; it wasn't about confronting death per se. Don't insinuate he was boring so his opinion doesn't mean much. He can see the merits of both sides more than most, I imagine. It's about winning titles not entertaining fans. It's not x factor. You may not like it but it's still a vaild approach.

[Roth]

RC, roth is our resident psycho-the-rapist, its not you, EVERYONE has something they need to get over, if you ever had parents then it stems from that, Lewis had a parent and thats why he has mental weakness, Lewis fans all had parents who forgot to tell them to hate the fastest driver of the generation

Classy, cookie.

[CookinFlat6]

I thought you'd like that

[racechick]

I wonder why methodical and technical Rosberg has to copy Lewis data? I wish they'd asked Scheckter that.

Scheckter, not a name that gets the blood racing when I hear it, not like the name Gilles Villeneuve. I bet the guy knows Gilles was the better driver that's why he's all over ' consistency, head down, not distracted,' talk.

The better driver that Scheckter beat to the '79 title you mean? The Scheckter who changed his driving style after being at the scene of another driver's death causing him to take a more cautious approach to the sport? If it gets the title it's a valid approach. So what if it doesn't get you all jazzed in the underpants. Maybe that's why they asked Mansell and Scheckter, because of their styles, and they can see positives in both approaches. It's a balanced piece with two good assessments of how things could play out.

And the data sharing thing. Hamilton did it to Alonso. Senna did it to Prost. Hamilton even does it to Rosberg. Everybody does it. If you want to be the best you have to learn from them. Get over it.

Get over it? What do you mean, get over it? Get over my view and switch to yours? No thanks. Don't tell me to get over it! I don't like data sharing to the extent it currently goes on at Mercedes so you'll just have to get over that!

And yes , I'm referring to the better driver that Scheckter beat, why else do you think I mentioned him? Scheckter isn't the only driver to have confronted death, that's how it was. Giles actually died so he certainly confronted it.
And I don't jazz in my underpants. I just prefer exciting drivers to boring ones.

Okay, so there's acceptable levels of data sharing, which apparently are being exceeded at Merc, even though you don't actually know the extent of those levels. Don't get in a tizzy about something so inevitable. You might aswell rage against the fact they give Rosberg a steering wheel.

My point about Scheckter was he originally drove like someone you would have liked then tempered it; it wasn't about confronting death per se. Don't insinuate he was boring so his opinion doesn't mean much. He can see the merits of both sides more than most, I imagine. It's about winning titles not entertaining fans. It's not x factor. You may not like it but it's still a vaild approach.

I know F1's not a show. You must have missed the many, many posts where I've railed against it going in that direction with Bernie's range of gimmicks. No? And I don't watch or like X factor. And if you think F1 is only about winning titles then you're missing something. It's about racing, going fastest, having amazing car control, doing things other drivers cant or daren't. Give me the drivers that do that, the Senna's, the Nuvorali's , the GVilleneuve's the Hamilton's, over cruise and collect /politicking drivers who land in the right car , any day of the week.
So Scheckter changed his driving style, well good for him. That must give him amazing insight into the mental frailty of Hamilton and how he doesn't focus.

I'm not in a tizzy about the level of data sharing at Merc, I just don't like it. And it's not inevitable that it happens. I'm not the only one who thinks this. It's out there,written about and commented about. A top driver should be able to set his own car up and find his own limits, driving without a steering wheel however would be impossible. And before you start, I know and understand why Merc did this data sharing, but now they have such an advantage they can stop.

[CookinFlat6]

Scheckter, meanwhile, feels Hamilton's 2008 title win could actually work against him in the battle with Rosberg.
"I don't think experience counts for anything and it may even be a negative for Lewis," he added.
"Are you as hungry to win it again as you are when you have the chance to win it a first time? I am not so sure."

Which explains why he quit trying after 1 lucky WDC, if a guy hasnt won before does the hunger work better than the pressure, for the guy who has won it, does the experience work better than the hunger?

If you asked the drivers who have won multiple WDCs if they would rather be trying for the first time or the second time who seriously thinks they would say it was harder second time???

ridiculous

[sagi58]

I would imagine that winning "any" title would be difficult, regardless of whether it's your first or second, or fifth.

However, there are a number of drivers who only have the one WDC title, maybe we should ask them?
Or, we could ask Niki Lauda how hard it was, since it took him seven years to win his second.

[LRW]

Are you as hungry to win it again as you are when you have the chance to win it a first time? I am not so sure."

Is this bloke broken in the head?

Thats the most ridiculous statment I have ever read.

Except for it it was applied to Kimi. Then I'd say he was right.

[Roth]

Jody Scheckter?

Jody F*ckwit more like.

[CookinFlat6]

I would imagine that winning "any" title would be difficult, regardless of whether it's your first or second, or fifth.

your first day at school was as hard as your second, third fifth, etc

However, there are a number of drivers who only have the one WDC title, maybe we should ask them?

Maybe ask Mansell and Sh!tchter?

Or, we could ask Niki Lauda how hard it was, since it took him seven years to win his second.

and it took him 30 years to win his first

[Ferrari man 009]

Or, we could ask Niki Lauda how hard it was, since it took him seven years to win his second.

He won in 75, would have won in 76 if it wasnt for Nurburgring - the fact he took the title to the wire was a miracle and won again in 77. Then he lost a bit of hunger took a break and won it again in 84 (3rd season back).

I'd agree with the ones saying the 2nd is easier with the caveat that the hardest thing to do seems to be to win them back to back. If you look at a few of the greats:

Stewart - 69,71,73.
Clark - 63, 65
Hill - 62, 68
Piquet - 81,83,87

And other near misses, Hakkinen made a pigs ear of defending his title in 99 and there were others e.g. Prost in 86.

As for those who have won back-to-back titles on more than one occasion, I think only Schumacher has (94-95, 2000-2004).

What I would say is that it is harder to defend the WDC than to win it.

In the context of this championship - neither Hamilton or Rosberg are defending their championship, they are both going to win it. Personally there isnt much between them on or off track. Hamilton possibly a little faster, Rosberg possibly marginally better in terms of reliability. But we are talking small margins.

And for the record I am 100% neutral. I honestly don't care which one wins as neither are in a Ferrari. All I hope is we have a fair and exciting final 8 races with plenty of drama (and that Alonso takes the chequered flag once or twice ).

[What's Burning?]

it's all a big it depends... whether or not you've got the upper hand during a major regulation change or in a period of little to no changes.