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[spankyham]

So you're ignoring my query even when I asked you nicely?... Is it because its more lies or you want to keep Haug's interview private?

You most definitely did ask fairly, and no I'm not ignoring you. I'm traveling at the mo and only have my phone and I don't have enough patience. I will post it later, but honestly, it's easy to Google and everyone knows Mercedes wanted changes.

Dude I'm asking because I can't find that particular quote. Maybe I just suck at finding stuff on google. Appreciate if you could paste it here when you find time. Because that would be something I have not seen before and I'd like to see the context in which it was said. Thx!

OK, so you probably saw WB's post >>here<< where he gave me a chop out with some of the links. >>Here<< is another link, that although in Italian has direct quotes from Norbert saying there are problems from Mercedes view with the new engine regulations.

[Hammer278]

Spanks,

Thanks for the links. I checked each one of them out (except the Italian ones, since I don't understand and I don't think Haug speaks Italian....so if he said the particular quote, it MUST be in English somewhere too) and I don't see anything coming close to what you said below:

He made it clear that Mercedes did not agree with the turbo as proposed (4 cylinder no hybrid) and it couldn't go ahead without their agreement.

The closest I see coming from Haug is talking about ensuring Mercedes' interests in the sport, and pushing for the move to more efficient engines. They could be 'veiled' threats like what pretty much every other team out there has made at some point or another, but there is absolutely no open/shut case which I saw from any of his quotes...and your quote in italic clearly indicates; an open/shut case.

As for the Italian links, if they translated his words you understand how easily they could twist words/meanings of what he said in English so I really wouldn't waste time looking at those pages. In his case I'd trust an English or German source, that's it.

[spankyham]

Spanks,

Thanks for the links.

My pleasure squire

... They could be 'veiled' threats like what pretty much every other team out there has made at some point or another, but there is absolutely no open/shut case which I saw from any of his quotes...and your quote in italic clearly indicates; an open/shut case.

I think you summed that up pretty well and I'd agree that your interpretation is better than my original effort

[What's Burning?]

The undisputed champion!

Ferrari GT 250 goes for 38 million dollars at auction, sadly I had to pull out of the bidding process after it surpassed the 30 million mark.

[CookinFlat6]

Thats actually a disappointing result for Ferrari, considering another of the few 250 GTO's went for much much more a few years ago. Not sure if it was the short wheel base but this one should have sold for at least double to maintain the value of Ferrari classics. Could actually send shock waves amongst collectors that the sheen has been removed.
Its also possible that the poor F1 results are now starting to damage the marque

[What's Burning?]

I think the one that did sell for more was a private sale, not auction though. From what I've read this was a "rough" example with a couple of previous owner alterations and a bad alternator.

[LRW]

....Its also possible that the poor F1 results are now starting to damage the marque

I (and I expect you deep down), doubt very much the current state of the F1 team has an real life affect on classic car prices.

[CookinFlat6]

....Its also possible that the poor F1 results are now starting to damage the marque

I (and I expect you deep down), doubt very much the current state of the F1 team has an real life affect on classic car prices.

Everything is connected, put it this way if the poor state of the F1 team has no effect at all on the classic cars, then by extension you must believe that good (or any) F1 results had no effect either in creating the value in the classic cars

Then you would need to ask why any car manufacturer is in F1

Nope, I know what you mean that there is not a 100% direct correlation, however when you consider variables like heritage and pedigree and the effect of increasing lengths and frequency of bad racing results I am sure you would not bet large that there was zero correlation

[LRW]

I just don't know if the majority of the worlds Ferrari enthusiasts care about F1.

Ferrari are a pedigree road car, and the classic car prices are fed from that. And in the majority of collectors and every day motorists mind, Ferrari is a classic brand totally separate of how s*** Alonso et al are currently doing.

Obviously that is all my opinion.

[sagi58]

What a beauty!!

 wrote:">'62 Ferrari 250 GTO sells for record $38 million at Monterey Car Week

Perhaps the most notable car to be sold at this year's Monterey auctions is a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO, regarded by many as the holy grail of classic cars. Bonhams is selling the car at no reserve (no minimum price). Some experts say the car could sell for as much as $60 million to $70 million.

[What's Burning?]

At the risk of being banned for sacrilege on the Ferrari thread, this is the prancing horse you want when the rubber meets the road.

[sagi58]

Maybe they're twins, separated at birth!

[What's Burning?]

BTW, Enzo designed the 250GT having sulked for a long long time after the Jaguar E type was introduced.

[sagi58]

Anything that's worthy is a result of "labour pains"!

[CookinFlat6]

I just don't know if the majority of the worlds Ferrari enthusiasts care about F1.

Ferrari are a pedigree road car, and the classic car prices are fed from that. And in the majority of collectors and every day motorists mind, Ferrari is a classic brand totally separate of how s*** Alonso et al are currently doing.

Obviously that is all my opinion.

The Gto was not a "pedigree road car", it was the road going limited edition of the ultimate racing car required for the racing series homologation. It's value and rep come entirely from race track prowess