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By LRW
#412346
........There is also the thought out there that Ferrari won't need Alonso( at that price) if the car comes good.


That is a MASSIVE if.
By What's Burning?
#412350
The longer Ferrari go without a championship the more the demand for one will build up for one. Ferrari currently are suffering their worst winless streak since 94 I believe. The pressure to win will only increase. If the stated goal is a championship, then I'm sure Mattiacci will get a couple of years grace. If the goal is wins, then those must come in the next year otherwise the pressure will not be contained well.
By CookinFlat6
#412355
It is possible that wins in the near term and WDC/WCC dominance in the longer term are mutually exclusive. From what we have seen of Merc and the Todt Ferrari, it is common to appear to get less competitive if a big overhaul is required. I am not sure Ferrari and Marco have the luxury of evolution, with results improving gradually. I suspect its more likely to be for example less aero performance while their sim and other facilities are torn down and rebuilt properly this time, and not with a sense of 'this stuff is for drinks companies not engineering firms' or 'we will soon get this banned anyway so why spend so much on it' or 'lets pay lip service to technology'

Also if Alonso leaves, then there wil be no chance at all of surprise against the grain results

I really think Marco needs to produce an education pack detailing the reality of rebuilding from scratch and making it available for the Tifosi and Italian press online all the time. In fact if he is as sharp as I reckon, I am willing to bet high that he will do something along these lines after the honeymoon period
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By racechick
#412363
"Ferrari indifferent to Alonso demands"

This a thejudge13 article, so you'll need to scroll to find it. Apparantly Alonso is demanding $46 a year to extend his contract which will easily vault him over Lewis to highest paid racing driver and one of the top paid sports stars. Some think it's an attempt by Alonso to find a get out. It's rumoured that McLaren's offer will be withdrawn on August the 20th. There is also the thought out there that Ferrari won't need Alonso( at that price) if the car comes good. Hamiltons and Alonsos earn their money when the car is poor . When the car is ahead of the field it's driveable and winnable by others ( Vettel/ Rosberg...that bit was my thoughts).
Anyway, have a read and what's your thoughts
http://thejudge13.com/2014/08/07/daily- ... gust-2014/

Cheap - that's about how much I pay the cab driver for a ride to the airport! :wink:


Ooops! Forgot the million bit! :hehe:

It is a massive 'IF' LRW, but 46mil is a massive amount. If it's true it almost does sound like Alonso is asking to leave.
By What's Burning?
#412367
"Ferrari indifferent to Alonso demands"

This a thejudge13 article, so you'll need to scroll to find it. Apparantly Alonso is demanding $46 a year to extend his contract which will easily vault him over Lewis to highest paid racing driver and one of the top paid sports stars. Some think it's an attempt by Alonso to find a get out. It's rumoured that McLaren's offer will be withdrawn on August the 20th. There is also the thought out there that Ferrari won't need Alonso( at that price) if the car comes good. Hamiltons and Alonsos earn their money when the car is poor . When the car is ahead of the field it's driveable and winnable by others ( Vettel/ Rosberg...that bit was my thoughts).
Anyway, have a read and what's your thoughts
http://thejudge13.com/2014/08/07/daily- ... gust-2014/

Cheap - that's about how much I pay the cab driver for a ride to the airport! :wink:


Ooops! Forgot the million bit! :hehe:

It is a massive 'IF' LRW, but 46mil is a massive amount. If it's true it almost does sound like Alonso is asking to leave.

Spanky posted something in the MiaScuderia lounge of sources stating 35 million euros a year.
By CookinFlat6
#412370
I am sure you will forgive me if I dont jump up and yell 'it must be true then' and I am guessing these 'sources' cannot be linked or questioned or any request for origin acknowledged :scratchchin:
By What's Burning?
#412372
I am sure you will forgive me if I dont jump up and yell 'it must be true then' and I am guessing these 'sources' cannot be linked or questioned or any request for origin acknowledged :scratchchin:

Everyone is free to request access to the lounge, however you must respect their environment while there.
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By racechick
#412374
"Ferrari indifferent to Alonso demands"

This a thejudge13 article, so you'll need to scroll to find it. Apparantly Alonso is demanding $46 a year to extend his contract which will easily vault him over Lewis to highest paid racing driver and one of the top paid sports stars. Some think it's an attempt by Alonso to find a get out. It's rumoured that McLaren's offer will be withdrawn on August the 20th. There is also the thought out there that Ferrari won't need Alonso( at that price) if the car comes good. Hamiltons and Alonsos earn their money when the car is poor . When the car is ahead of the field it's driveable and winnable by others ( Vettel/ Rosberg...that bit was my thoughts).
Anyway, have a read and what's your thoughts
http://thejudge13.com/2014/08/07/daily- ... gust-2014/

Cheap - that's about how much I pay the cab driver for a ride to the airport! :wink:


Ooops! Forgot the million bit! :hehe:

It is a massive 'IF' LRW, but 46mil is a massive amount. If it's true it almost does sound like Alonso is asking to leave.

Spanky posted something in the MiaScuderia lounge of sources stating 35 million euros a year.


I'll stick with the judges figures unless proven incorrect since I've not seen any other figure written anywhere else.
By Hammer278
#412376
Do we really need a Ferrari Support thread when we get updates/news about the team in some other private lounge which is already "respected"?

I mean why bother? If the Ferrari-fosi are having a lounge and are posting updates there, can we thrash this thread then? Or close it?

I really fail to see the logic of this preferential treatment for about 5 members in total, and also have a Ferrari Support thread....which is not even USED by the Ferrari fans. Wtf? :rolleyes:
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By LewEngBridewell
#412390
Do we really need a Ferrari Support thread when we get updates/news about the team in some other private lounge which is already "respected"?

I mean why bother? If the Ferrari-fosi are having a lounge and are posting updates there, can we thrash this thread then? Or close it?

I really fail to see the logic of this preferential treatment for about 5 members in total, and also have a Ferrari Support thread....which is not even USED by the Ferrari fans. Wtf? :rolleyes:


Maybe it should just be a Ferrari "discussion" thread then :wink:
By What's Burning?
#412399
Interesting read anyone care to guess which Ferrari driver is which?
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F1Fanatic-The Hungarian Grand Prix may be behind us but Ferrari have provided some extra insight into the demands of the tricky, 4.3 kilometre Hungaroring*.

These two images reveal the key data behind a lap of the circuit in a pre-2014 specification F1 car. The first shows a single car on the track, and the second includes an overlay of the same data for a second car, which is used by drivers to see where they might be losing or gaining time relative to their team mate.

Most of the information in the chart is self-explanatory: which gear the driver is in, how much steering angle they are using, DRS use, KERS use and recharging (which as of this year are no longer under the direct control of the driver), how much they are accelerating and braking, and what the car’s speed is.

The trace also shows relevant information from other sensors including wind speed and plank height – i.e., how close the car is to the ground – and the load cell, which is used to understand the positioning of the car to draw further comparisons between the two drivers.

The throttle pedal trace shows two lines – one for the input from the driver and one for the input from the car. For example, when the drivers comes off the throttle completely for the first time the car continues to blip it to prevent the engine from stalling.

Ferrari have not identified which of their drivers corresponds to which line on the second chart, or given any information about the condition of the cars during the laps. However data engineer, Giuliano Salve provides some insight into how drivers’ lap times are compared using telemetry:

“The blue and the red driver display minimal differences over a lap, producing almost identical graphics, but if one looks deeper into the management of the throttle and brake and look at the speed graph, one can spot interesting differences.

“Looking at the first part of the speed and brake line, one can see that the red driver is harder on the brakes, but quicker to get back on the throttle, as soon as he’s passed the apex of the corner. On the other hand, the blue driver has a more gentle style, braking slightly earlier but with less force, which results in him scrubbing off less speed under braking.

“In fact, in the throttle and brake graphic there is an extra line, a comparison of the lap time of both drivers. The engineers continuously compare the efforts of both drivers to try and get the best possible result.

“It’s all down to thousandths of a second, but that’s how one improves, closing gaps that might even be measured in seconds and help a driver get to the top.”

This same lap time comparison was what Lewis Hamilton was so eager to share with the world at Spa-Francorchamps in 2012.

Team mate Jenson Button had used a low-downforce rear wing on his McLaren and taken pole position. Hamilton had opted for a high-downforce wing, and as a result had lost a lot of time on the straights, which was highlighted in the telemetry sheet he posted on Twitter, then quickly deleted when his team pointed out their rivals could glean valuable information from it.
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By racechick
#412413
My first thought when I saw those graphs, before I read the article, was ...that's all Lewis posted and look at the fuss! LOL. And we know now it was far from a simple incident of pique on Hamilton's part, as was reported.

That's a really interesting graph comparison. Seems Ferrari are looking closely at why Kimi can't get most out of that car.

I'd probably guess wrong which was which. One brakes late and is faster on the power and one is smooth. Sounds like Jenson and Lewis being described and we know which was faster there. But this isn't Jenson and Lewis, it's Alonso and Kimi. I know Alonso doesn't brake as late as Lewis, he has a very different style for cornering, but what does Kimi do? I've not studied his cornering much. But I do know Kimi doesn't like this car, yet it's supposed to be an easy to drive car, the sort Jens would like, and Jens is smooth. So maybe Kimi is the late braker but isn't that good at it? Or doesn't have confidence in it? I dunno come on tell me.
By Hammer278
#412415
Fo sho Alonso is the one with the heavier braking and faster acceleration out of a corner.

He's well known for manhandling a car, and does very quick turns with the wheel which logically means he gets the car pointed in the right direction quicker to put the throttle down.
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