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[Cyril Sneer Racing]

Yes, this is really complicated isn't it. If Hamilton had a perfect car he'd have infinite points. And if Maldonado had crash evasion systems he would be leading. If the rest of the field had perfect cars they'd all be crossing the finish line at the exact same time. Why not?

And if my grandmother had wheels...

I wasn't the one who said 7 points, you did. That's why I mentioned the 14-7 because you bringing it up made no sense )You said something about winning a race guarantees another seven points). It's pretty basic, if Hamilton has a perfect car then so does Rosberg, Rosberg then also regains the points he lost, say another 7-14 points when he finished second or started lower down the field from car trouble. Hamilton would have to make up 21-28 points. Either way the leader is only up by a few points.

In any case the season as it stands is no success for Hamilton, as Rosberg looks the better driver. It is either 5-5 or 6-4 for Rosberg. I know you think I'm an idiot for pointing out the facts, but we all know what the true meaning behind resorting to name-calling is.

Use whatever techniques to oh so subtly call me stupid, I'm not too worried about it. You really like Hamilton so much you have to put down the blonde girls? What's wrong with you? Do tell us why you so feel the need to put others down instead of having a discussion. Let's see the logic which determines that high IQ. Although I have to admit I've never heard someone from Mensa use the word 'idiotic' in every other sentence.

[What's Burning?]

You wouldn't know a fact if it smacked you in the face.

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

You wouldn't know a fact if it smacked you in the face.

Oh my, that's a good one. You really hold a grudge when you lose an argument, don't you. Were you bullied as a child? Is that why you have to act tough on the internet?

For proclaiming the need to have standards it seems you lot like to resort to name-calling awful quickly. Keep it up, it makes Hamilton look really good when his fans are worse than Vettel's.

And rather than making these bold statements about others' idiocy you could perhaps instead show logically why something is wrong, or why only your facts are True Facts. You know, since you have such a high IQ and all.

[racechick]

Yes, this is really complicated isn't it. If Hamilton had a perfect car he'd have infinite points. And if Maldonado had crash evasion systems he would be leading. If the rest of the field had perfect cars they'd all be crossing the finish line at the exact same time. Why not?

And if my grandmother had wheels...

I wasn't the one who said 7 points, you did. That's why I mentioned the 14-7 because you bringing it up made no sense )You said something about winning a race guarantees another seven points). It's pretty basic, if Hamilton has a perfect car then so does Rosberg, Rosberg then also regains the points he lost, say another 7-14 points when he finished second or started lower down the field from car trouble. Hamilton would have to make up 21-28 points. Either way the leader is only up by a few points.

In any case the season as it stands is no success for Hamilton, as Rosberg looks the better driver. It is either 5-5 or 6-4 for Rosberg. I know you think I'm an idiot for pointing out the facts, but we all know what the true meaning behind resorting to name-calling is.

Use whatever techniques to oh so subtly call me stupid, I'm not too worried about it. You really like Hamilton so much you have to put down the blonde girls? What's wrong with you? Do tell us why you so feel the need to put others down instead of having a discussion. Let's see the logic which determines that high IQ. Although I have to admit I've never heard someone from Mensa use the word 'idiotic' in every other sentence.

You know what it's kinda hard to look the best driver when your car breaks all the time, and it's kindov easy to look good when you have no competition and can cruise. Are you being serious or just havin a laugh here?.

[CookinFlat6]

Yes, this is really complicated isn't it. If Hamilton had a perfect car he'd have infinite points. And if Maldonado had crash evasion systems he would be leading. If the rest of the field had perfect cars they'd all be crossing the finish line at the exact same time. Why not?

You appear to have forgotten completely that YOU brought the topic up - you said if neither had no dnfs rosberg blah blah blah

So you brought up the fantasy situation and when asked to try harder to be logical you decide that Putin is misunderstood by hamilton worshippers

By the way einstein hammer and I are not the same person, the clue is that he has a different avater and username

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

It seems to me that I was called an idiot for not making excuses for Hamilton. But yes, Hamilton has had trouble, and he has made his own. The basic argument here is that even if Hamilton's car didn't 'break all the time' the points would still be close. Hamilton has messed up as much as his car has failed, but some want to believe that Hamilton is far better than Rosberg and so far this is completely unproven.

[racechick]

In the races where Hamilton made an error,he still scored well, Silverstone, Austria. ( Monaco was Rosberg's error but Hamilton still scored well) Canada his car failed, he would likely have won or second, that's 25 or 18 points. Australia, he'd have won or come Second, that's another 18 or 25 points. Germany worst case second , most likely would have won. Hungary most likely would have won. How many points is that going begging through no fault of Lewis' ? Rosberg has one DNF to his name. Are you deliberately being obtuse?

[What's Burning?]

It seems to me that I was called an idiot for not making excuses for Hamilton. But yes, Hamilton has had trouble, and he has made his own. The basic argument here is that even if Hamilton's car didn't 'break all the time' the points would still be close. Hamilton has messed up as much as his car has failed, but some want to believe that Hamilton is far better than Rosberg and so far this is completely unproven.

Unproven like the russians providing Ukrainian rebels with surface to air missiles... completely unproven. I think JEV is a way better driver than Daniil Kyviat, he's got 50% more points even though he's had horrible reliability issues the guy wouldn't even be in F1 if it wasn't for Puttin bribing Bernie. It's all clear to me.

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

Yes, this is really complicated isn't it. If Hamilton had a perfect car he'd have infinite points. And if Maldonado had crash evasion systems he would be leading. If the rest of the field had perfect cars they'd all be crossing the finish line at the exact same time. Why not?

You appear to have forgotten completely that YOU brought the topic up - you said if neither had no dnfs rosberg blah blah blah

So you brought up the fantasy situation and when asked to try harder to be logical you decide that Putin is misunderstood by hamilton worshippers

By the way einstein hammer and I are not the same person, the clue is that he has a different avater and username

Boys, you read poorly and make low-blows like a second grader. I did not bring it up. It's a constant line of argument here. the whole lewis bad luck vs. Rosberg good luck, and 'if Hamilton had an unfailable car he'd be unbeatable'. I was responding to hypothetical redistribution of points awarded if you look back.

Yes, I know everyone hates Putin and he's a convenient bogeyman, but it seems some forget the purpose of creating a bogeyman and vilifying groups of people.

I am aware you are not the same person, but you all gang up and make personal attacks in the same way. And wow, imagine that, you're all Hamilton fans! Who'd have guessed?

Please, do keep trying to play tricks to make me look stupid so as to avoid the argument at hand. It really is a great tactic.

[CookinFlat6]

Kyvat drives like a <?> could that be why Putin bribes Bernie, I heard Putin likes hairless drivers

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

In the races where Hamilton made an error,he still scored well, Silverstone, Austria. ( Monaco was Rosberg's error but Hamilton still scored well) Canada his car failed, he would likely have won or second, that's 25 or 18 points. Australia, he'd have won or come Second, that's another 18 or 25 points. Germany worst case second , most likely would have won. Hungary most likely would have won. How many points is that going begging through no fault of Lewis' ? Rosberg has one DNF to his name. Are you deliberately being obtuse?

Haha, yes, Hamilton is faultless. My mistake.

Rosberg has also had car trouble forcing him to lose points. If we play the 'what if?' scenario why only with one driver? Rosberg lost seven points in at least one of the drives due to brakes. Arguably Hamilton caused his own brake failure through not easing off when his car was in trouble, not to mention all his other mistakes that he's lucked through in having the fastest car.

Quit resorting to personal attacks just because your driver is losing, the lot of you.

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

It seems to me that I was called an idiot for not making excuses for Hamilton. But yes, Hamilton has had trouble, and he has made his own. The basic argument here is that even if Hamilton's car didn't 'break all the time' the points would still be close. Hamilton has messed up as much as his car has failed, but some want to believe that Hamilton is far better than Rosberg and so far this is completely unproven.

Unproven like the russians providing Ukrainian rebels with surface to air missiles... completely unproven. I think JEV is a way better driver than Daniil Kyviat, he's got 50% more points even though he's had horrible reliability issues the guy wouldn't even be in F1 if it wasn't for Puttin bribing Bernie. It's all clear to me.

"Kyvat drives like a <?> could that be why Putin bribes Bernie, I heard Putin likes hairless drivers "

Ah, the last resort of the sore loser. The bait and switch is making you lot sound a bit like Massa.

It's true, I admit it. I am the conspiracy behind Hamilton's inability to stop properly in the pits. If it weren''t for me Hamilton would be a hundred points ahead now.

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

Anyway, I'm done. I have beer to drink. Try not to put me down too hard for being a drinker. Hamilton might end up looking like a drunk driver tomorrow. Karma and all, haven't heard Maldonado's crash evasion system is through yet.

[racechick]

In the races where Hamilton made an error,he still scored well, Silverstone, Austria. ( Monaco was Rosberg's error but Hamilton still scored well) Canada his car failed, he would likely have won or second, that's 25 or 18 points. Australia, he'd have won or come Second, that's another 18 or 25 points. Germany worst case second , most likely would have won. Hungary most likely would have won. How many points is that going beginning through no fault of Lewis' ? Rosberg has one DNF to his name. Are you deliberately being obtuse?

Haha, yes, Hamilton is faultless. My mistake.

Rosberg has also had car trouble forcing him to lose points. If we play the 'what if?' scenario why only with one driver? Rosberg lost seven points in at least one of the drives due to brakes. Arguably Hamilton caused his own brake failure through not easing off when his car was in trouble, not to mention all his other mistakes that he's lucked through in having the fastest car.

Quit resorting to personal attacks just because your driver is losing, the lot of you.

WTF????? What personal attacks? Where have I personally attacked you? I'm pointing out the mathematics of having four car failures as opposed to one , a fact you seem unable to grasp.

And when I begin a post with " in the races where Hamilton made errors...." How do you deduce that I am saying he is faultless? Are you actually reading what people write?

[Ferrari man 009]

I like to think of myself as a neutral in this Lewis v Nico battle as I honestly couldnt care less who wins the WDC (I only want the red cars to win, but theres more chance of Racechick supporting Button if im honest...).

This season the two drivers have been fairly similar, but while Lewis has edged the driving between the two, i'd say Nico has had slightly more luck. These are the possible points lost by each driver (i am calculating based on drivers finishing 2nd as this is the lowest a merc would finish without reliability).

Australia: Hamilton (-18): DNF. No guarantee he would have won, but at worst he would be P2.
Malaysia: No luck affected the result.
Bahrain: No luck affected the result.
China: No luck affected the result.
Spain: No luck affected the result.
Monaco: No luck affected the result.
Canada: Hamilton (-18): Again its hard to say who would have won as at the time of the failures it was hanging in the balance. Therefore im only considering it -18 for Hamilton and neutral for Nico as Rosberg may have finished 2nd anyway had Hamilton not DNF'ed, but we dont know how it would have ended.
Austria: No luck affected the result.
Britain: Rosberg (-18): Using the same theory as Australia and Canada, we dont know if Rosberg would or would not have won. Mercedes insistence that Lewis would have been forced into a 2 stop makes me think Nico may have won as he would have got an undercut at the final stop. But again no-one knows as we were robbed of a titanic battle.
Germany: Hamilton (-3): Combination of Brake failure in Q1 and the non-deployment of the safety car cost Hamilton a probable P2 in Germany. He may have won but again there is no guarantee of that, but he would have been at least 2nd in normal circumstances.
Hungary: Hamilton (-??): If Hamilton finishes 2nd tomorrow at Hungary without rain (which I would consider luck in Hamilton's favour), it will go down in my books as one of the greatest drives of all time.

So, from my calculations - Hamilton has lost a potential 39 points through bad luck, compared to Rosberg's 18. The 21 point difference would in theory have given Lewis a 7 point advantage luck corrected. In my opinion that is about right. Lewis has edged it this season, but he hasnt demolished Rosberg who has done well.

Now, im sure someone will point out some flaws in my theory, but as its all hypothetical that's understandable and my calculations are based partly on my opinion. That said, I think it illustrates that Lewis has been marginally the better driver but has also had a bit more bad luck than Nico.