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#409452
Maybe the German fans only get turned on by total domination.


I loved the way the Bbc decided the song for the highlights would be by tears for fears

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#409586
Maybe it's a passion thing. They react to the driver's style or personality. The British are the same. We couldn't get enough of Mansell or Hill, guys with a bit of moxy, but it wasn't until Hamilton came along we collectively got all jazzed again, because he was born to win not just compete. Coulthard, Irvine, Button never ignited much despite being in top teams. Schumacher you could tell was special, Vettel and Rosberg tend to get the job done but there's not much that makes them interesting as racers.


Coulthard was Scottish whenever he was criticized (90% of the time), and British whenever he won races.
#409600
Maybe it's a passion thing. They react to the driver's style or personality. The British are the same. We couldn't get enough of Mansell or Hill, guys with a bit of moxy, but it wasn't until Hamilton came along we collectively got all jazzed again, because he was born to win not just compete. Coulthard, Irvine, Button never ignited much despite being in top teams. Schumacher you could tell was special, Vettel and Rosberg tend to get the job done but there's not much that makes them interesting as racers.


Coulthard was Scottish whenever he was criticized (90% of the time), and British whenever he won races.


It's the same with Andy Murray in the tennis, or our Olympic teams. We can be very selective when it suits us. I've gained a lot of perspective from not living in England for a number of years, and one is this nationalistic obsession. From far away it looks sad and pathetic.
#409612
I was a big fan of Henman last time, and badly wanted him to win Wimbledon and he came so close a couple of times but ultimately failed.

Then Murray comes along and even before he even wins anything they change the hill's name from Henman to Murray Hill.

I mean what the f**k is that all about. I found it cheapened the whole thing and was a huge slap in Henman's face....IMO.
#409613
I was a big fan of Henman last time, and badly wanted him to win Wimbledon and he came so close a couple of times but ultimately failed.

Then Murray comes along and even before he even wins anything they change the hill's name from Henman to Murray Hill.

I mean what the f**k is that all about. I found it cheapened the whole thing and was a huge slap in Henman's face....IMO.


*cough*murrymound*cough*
#409616
What? Its called Murray mound? What I understood is that Henman Hill no longer exists....or does it?
#409618
What? Its called Murray mound? What I understood is that Henman Hill no longer exists....or does it?


It doesnt. Was Henman Hill. Then Changed to Murry Mound. For a while it was even called Rusedski Ridge.

Its actual name is Aorangi Terrace.

edit: (and very briefly its been called Robson Ridge (Laura Robson) and Heather Hill (Heather Watson).)
#409714
...Henman Hill
...Murry Mound
...Rusedski Ridge
...actual name is Aorangi Terrace
...Robson Ridge
...Heather Hill)


That piece of real estate has been around!! :hehe:
#412213
Maurice Hamilton thinks we should cut Vettel some slack.
ESPNF1 The Times Magazine recently ran a feature on Sir David Brailsford, the man who transformed British cycling. Brailsford achieved success by introducing 'marginal gains', a concept that chases tiny improvements by focussing on details that, on their own, seem irrelevant but, collectively, can make a massive difference.

It's a bit like an F1 aerodynamicist spending countless hours to introduce a front wing endplate tweak worth 0.008s. Hardly worth the bother, you might think, but add that to infinitesimal but continual developments elsewhere on the car and you start getting somewhere in every sense.

Apart from the more obvious (to F1 fans, if not the world at large) monitoring and analysis of cadence, power output and gradient on each bike, Brailsford introduced cyclists' personal mattresses to ensure a good night's sleep and individualised brands of washing powder to guard against skin complaints. As performance director of British cycling, Brailsford was knighted in 2013 after eight gold medals at the 2012 London Olympics and plotting the rise of Bradley Wiggins, Chris Hoy, Victoria Pendleton and Laura Trott. Small wonder he is considered one of the most influential figures in British sport. But that, according to Brailsford, was yesterday.

Today, he is a deeply unhappy man. Since leaving his national role to concentrate solely on coaching Team Sky, Brailsford has suffered disappointment after disappointment this summer. He feels embarrassed and humiliated because, among other things, he has let people down. "You get a bit of credit when you win," he says. "You get a bit more when you win again, but then you hit diminishing returns."

I thought of Sebastian Vettel when I read those words. Coincidentally, the same edition of The Times ran a news story on Bernie Ecclestone's trial. The report also carried a teaser for a half-term F1 report by Kevin Eason under the headline: 'Did Vettel just get lucky?' Unfortunately I cannot give you Kevin's views because his piece was hidden behind a pay wall on the website; having forked out £1.20 for Mr. Murdoch's newspaper, I did not feel inclined to give the wretched man another £6.

But the headline (in fairness, probably not written by Eason) does give an indication of the feeling afoot for Vettel's season so far. Two wins and 43 points behind Daniel Ricciardo is not where we - and, you suspect Vettel - expected to find the reigning World Champion 11 races into 2014. The reasons for this are currently being discussed the length and breadth of motor sport websites with opinion roughly divided 70% denigrating and 30% in defence of Vettel's plight.

Even allowing for the sometimes subconscious gloating that accompanies the downfall of a totally dominant figure (particularly one who insists on raising a finger at every opportunity), there has been an easy-option tendency to give Vettel a good kicking to the point of some benighted correspondents declaring the man who has won 39 grands prix to be possessing more luck than talent.

That marginal assessment stood up during the Hungarian Grand Prix, but only by the same fag paper width by which he missed the pit wall after a fundamental mistake. Otherwise, I'll take the argument that he's struggling to drive a car without the aid of the exhaust-blown diffuser; I might even go along with the view that a top driver should be able to adapt; a thought that I'm sure Vettel is wrestling with right now during the lay-off.

But there are a couple of points I'd like to throw into the debate. His luck has been appalling and, when the Red Bull has worked as it should, Vettel has been there or thereabouts. It's also becoming clear that Ricciardo has the making of a very special talent indeed; witness passing moves as clever, brave and precise as you could wish to see.

On the personal front, I've no feelings either way for Vettel, having always found him to be approachable, polite and thoughtful during interviews. Despite his phenomenal success, Vettel remains a regular bloke - which leads to one final point. Considering Seb is human just like the rest of us, I can't believe one man can win championships over four consecutive years - for most drivers, one year is enough - without it having a detrimental effect in such a hugely competitive environment. Saying that, anyone who questions his motivation only needs to watch the scary 180-mph scrap with Fernando Alonso at Silverstone.

It would be good if Vettel catches sight of The Times piece and reads Brailsford's words: "For me, the pain of defeat is far more vivid than the pleasure of victory. But you learn from adversity too. Nobody wins everything. How you handle losing is every bit as important as how you handle winning."

For what it's worth, I think Vettel is handling this disconcerting downturn as well as any sports person can. Let's cut him some slack when he gets back on his bike at the end of the month.
#412488
To be fair he has not been as whiney or as spoilt brat about not winning every race this year. Compared to the start of last year.

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#412492
To be fair he has not been as whiney or as spoilt brat about not winning every race this year. Compared to the start of last year.

At this point he'd be happy to just beat his teammate.
#412494
I do feel for Vettel, and I do think he's handling himself very well in this period of difficulty. I've also seen a couple of instances this year where he's fought and overtaken in a way we rarely saw in his dominant years, areas I certainly had question marks over.

I think much of the problem is the way the press lauded him as a legend. That BBC article placing him eigth in the all time list...with better drivers much lower.
His finger didn't help matters.

Again speaking personally I've never considered him on the same level as Alonso and Hamilton so it's no massive surprise to me that we find ourselves where we are now. He's a very good driver, like Rosberg is a very good driver, and he got lucky with his car. He learnt a trick ( and credit to him because his then team mate couldn't do it) to get the maximum from the rear downforce car Newey made for him . And he managed it superbly. But even then I had big question marks about how good he actually was. Without that down force he was the same level as Webber.

I think he's very lucky to have four world championships because (and this sounds mean and harsh) , I don't think he's as good as one would expect a four time world champion to be.

Now Ricciardo is a different kettle of fish. He I can see elevating himself into the Alonso/Hamilton club at some point.
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