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[LiamCatterson]

Apparently someone did not watch the race yesterday

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/moto ... ns-3887702" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[stonemonkey]

Apparently someone did not watch the race yesterday

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/moto ... ns-3887702" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lol oops, that article is so mixed up, apart from the BIG mistake, some of it reads like a bad google translation.

[LRW]

The red bull was also the fastest car and they also changed their gear ratios

I thought the cars have the gear ratios set for the season? One of the new regs for '14.

They do. But RyRy is referring to last year.

[RyRy]

The red bull was also the fastest car and they also changed their gear ratios

I thought the cars have the gear ratios set for the season? One of the new regs for '14.

See LRWs post below

The red bull was also the fastest car and they also changed their gear ratios

I thought the cars have the gear ratios set for the season? One of the new regs for '14.

They do. But RyRy is referring to last year.

Yeah my bad should have made that more obvious

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[What's Burning?]

Didn't know Button had been such a "gentleman" about being overtaken by Lewis. At least he had the decency to go watch the replay and correct the statement.

Speaking to Sky Sports F1, Button added: “He drove into my rear wheel, that’s all I have to say. I guess he thought I was going to let him past but I am out there doing my race and it would be boring if we all just let him through coming through the field.”

However, after reviewing footage of the race late on Sunday night, Button acknowledged that the criticism had been unwarranted.

“Interesting GP today, loved the tussles out on track,” the Englishman tweeted. “After watching the race back I think I overreacted with my feelings about Lewis's move. I can understand why he thought I was giving him room. Amazed we both got around the corner!! F1 put on a great show today and long may it continue!”

[stonemonkey]

Wow, a bit of decency from both drivers on the situation.

[Jabberwocky]

Wait for the response from the spurned friends

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[RyRy]

Wow, a bit of decency from both drivers on the situation.

They were both very very respectful about it all, lots of classiness from the pair.

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[What's Burning?]

Maybe he thought twice about having called Ron's baby ugly?

[Roth]

Talk to me in November as in when Lewis is the 2014 WDC, no excuses necessary. Then you can complain about how he didn't wave to the crowd vigorously enough. Deal?

But you see, mine was a list of genuine things brought up by Hamilton fans for why he's behind. Yours is just being facetious, and a bit smug. Anyway, he's clearly one of the best crowd wavers on the grid, so...

[Roth]

Roth, you are still way too critical and the whole "mental weakness" thing is just ridiculous. I am probably one of the least biased people on this forum as I don't really have a favourite driver as such.

Like I don't like Alonso but I sure do appreciate his driving, talent and praise him when deserved. The only drivers I don't support are Maldonado and Grosjean however Grosjean has improved and is starting to win be back as he matured A LOT.

I don't like Alonso,

But why don't you like Alonso? You like his driving, what else is there? He has nice hair, he phones his grandmother every night. What's not to like really?

And the mental weakness issue is so British Grand Prix thread. Now we're collectively knocking me about saying Hamilton was a bit ragged, and ignoring the part where I said he was good but could have been better, despite me saying why I thought so and nobody generally countering my points, just telling me I was wrong. Keep up.

[CookinFlat6]

Button either made a mistake going wide and was too busy correcting to notice others - Button at fault or
was taking an initially wider alternative line and Lewis made assumptions and there was a misunderstanding due to button opening the door (of the normal racing line) - racing incident

However now he appears to imply that he didn't realise he had left the door open 'says he now sees how it looks' meaning he was either completely unaware anyone was around PLUS he was off the line by mistake

This sounds true, and his initial criticism doesnt fit in with his media behaviour to Lewis since Ron has been back. It was more like he used to be before

Button has adapted from 1 extreme of TP to the other extreme, and so far there have only been a few criticisms of the car and negative things that Ron wont like at all. I do think its just a matter of time before Ron rips into him and humiliates him in public media. Lets not forget Ron has form for detecting deserving scapegoats and making an example.

Not just spurned friends remember Button and the expunged TP saying the aim of 2013 was to beat Lewis as he left for Merc, I am sure Ron wouldnt much appreciate the "replacement" for his hugely financially costly protege being mean to said irreplaceable ex protege

[What's Burning?]

Talk to me in November as in when Lewis is the 2014 WDC, no excuses necessary. Then you can complain about how he didn't wave to the crowd vigorously enough. Deal?

But you see, mine was a list of genuine things brought up by Hamilton fans for why he's behind. Yours is just being facetious, and a bit smug. Anyway, he's clearly one of the best crowd wavers on the grid, so...

You ignored the part about me saying I wasn't impressed by his performance, he was supposed to get on the podium. The smugness I threw in at no extra cost. You're welcome!

[CookinFlat6]

And I can't mix and match fact and opinion. How do you separate them? Like, fact he hit Button. Opinion, he was sloppy. So he hit him on purpose? That's just silly. So I'm allowed maybe to say it was an accident because he clearly didn't mean to hit him but I'm not allowed to infer anything more sinister, like he was sloppy. Are we just putting everything down to s**t happens now?

Roth you are missing the point here, yes you have an opinion, however why rely on circumstantial evidence and push it when there are lots of facts available that dont really agree.
Opinion - you say he was sloppy,
Facts - he performed a tricky operation at least 17 times + 1 time he didnt complete it + sloppy implies a behaviour, an attitude + he had a reasonable excuse + in F1 racing to be sloppy is anti performance, its not good
Conclusion - A completion rate of 94.11% says he wasnt sloppy 17 times, maybe the other times were also sloppy but he got lucky? lucky 94.11% of the moves, or maybe he just got sloppy because it had been a long race and he needed a cuppa, but hold on, he then went on to drive with a damaged car even better than before
Ok so he was confirmed to be sloppy 5.88% of the time, in one iteration in 17. So he let his true hidden nature out just the one time and thats enough?
Nope - just sounds like the guy will always be failing somehow in your books - thats how it sounds, maybe theres some translation issue, you could have meant the guy is basically of a certain impestuos character and you reckon we saw a flash of it. that is more in line with facts and more 'reasonable' sounding

Or he went 20 to 3? But shouldn't it have been second if he hadn't hit Button? Hang on it should have been first because there should have been a safety car which would have brought Hamilton up to Bottas and Nico and, well you fill in the rest. Predicting outcomes isn't fact either but I don't see you refuting any posts like that. Is that because they are victim posts in an alternate universe where Hamilton wins and everyone's happy and not like mine which are Hamilton was a bit ragged but which doesn't follow your script, so don't count. And I said he should finish second on some thread. I don't want the man to fail, take no joy in it, but am willing to bring up reasons why.

The speculation about the safety car and not hitting Button is not just wishful thinking, its about very interesting and ultimately successful strategy. I even said exactly the same thing posted before the race - he would make an extra stop on options, this would make any SC a complete bonus and a chance to race Nico, and if not he would finish ahead of Bottas who would have older tyres (no SC no change)
Merc should win the price for best strategy and on the fly changes
Thats why its a part of the story

[Roth]

Apologies then WB, my mistake. Sometimes your posts tumble out and I don't grasp exactly what you're saying. I also agree, the podium was minimum expectation. I don't know why that's in contradiction with a bit of raggedness for some people.

Strangely we have some people who are saying he wasn't ragged and others saying, what do you expect he was coming through the field, sometimes in the same post. I mentioned an uncharacteristic hint of desparation in his display and all of a sudden it's on for young and old. I dunno, maybe LRW is right, maybe it's the way I put it. Or maybe others take the worst case scenario from words I use.