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[CookinFlat6]

Hamilton drove well today but not great. Coming through the field he looked a bit too eager to overtake, rather than let his natural skill and car's advantage do the work. He reminded me of Vettel coming from the back, a bit ragged and desparate at times which isn't what you would expect.

Ok so it's no longer a weakness of mind with Hamilton but 'too eager' - impatient? and 'ragged and desperate' - poor race craft?

So his natural skill and cars advantage is going to drive his car past hotdogs like Ricc, Kimi, Alonso by not applying constant pressure? or waiting till Nico is too far ahead? And he cleared those toughest obstacles with no issue. And the contact he did have was a misunderstanding with a weak obstacle Button - a racing incident at worst and buttons adult at best. But this proves Lewis is desperate and ragged? Does this make sense? Surely a ragged desperate driver would not be able to cleanly pass the tough drivers, and surely the best and calmest drivers still have racing incidents

At least when geet is similarly selective with the facts and logic he entertains us with the humorous angle

So Lewis didn't have a great drive - he was too eager to overtake? Is this reverse humour?

[Hammer278]

It's a sign of the critics backing up against a wall, when the driver they dislike keeps coming back against all odds. The humour increases proportionally to their desperation.

[Roth]

I enjoy these little stoushes, cookie, but when you expertly drop crucial words from my original posts, I dunno, I wonder if you actually read my posts or just quickly inhale them to get what you think is the general jist, and then go on a little patronising rant.

Having said that, 'Impatient' isn't a bad word. Such is his burning desire to succeed, he wasn't pleased with third, and the direct reason of that coming up short was of his own making. He later apologised to Button for the situation, so your personal dislike of Button and belittling him when it wasn't even his fault just makes your point weaker. I would say going for a place that's really not on when you know you can try again very soon is impatient.

I said 'a bit ragged and desparate'. Not he was Maldonado on speed. If you're going to go off on one, atleast be accurate on the starting point. He appeared to drive like he was in fairly equal machinery, rather than a much quicker car. He's had to recover like this in a few races recently (y'know because he's mentally weak in Q3) and he didn't display any of yesterday's tendencies for being a bit banzai.

I've never questioned his racecraft. Yet again you're taking something I said and being all melodramatic and applying it like a big suffocating blanket. I even said it seemed out of character.

Now I'm going to get a potted history of Lewis' great overtakes and a little parable about a doctor with 32 chickens and a bad foot, and why you shouldn't feed them ketchup.

[Roth]

It's a sign of the critics backing up against a wall, when the driver they dislike keeps coming back against all odds. The humour increases proportionally to their desperation.

Except I don't dislike him.

[Hammer278]

I said 'a bit ragged and desparate'. Not he was Maldonado on speed. If you're going to go off on one, atleast be accurate on the starting point. He appeared to drive like he was in fairly equal machinery, rather than a much quicker car. He's had to recover like this in a few races recently (y'know because he's mentally weak in Q3) and he didn't display any of yesterday's tendencies for being a bit banzai.

You know....this might be because he was actually not in a much quicker car at the time? The guys he was racing was Ricciardo and Kimi on super soft tyres while he was on softs. So....what you see is actually what you get. Maybe think about the circumstances before just thinking Mercedes Vs Redbull, OK too ragged *jots down*.

It's a sign of the critics backing up against a wall, when the driver they dislike keeps coming back against all odds. The humour increases proportionally to their desperation.

Except I don't dislike him.

Yeah okay, I love all the drivers on the grid especially Button.

[racechick]

Lewis was not ragged Roth, he was overcoming a 19 place defecit and Button was the only one in all those overtakes where there was an issue.

[CookinFlat6]

I enjoy these little stoushes, cookie, but when you expertly drop crucial words from my original posts, I dunno, I wonder if you actually read my posts or just quickly inhale them to get what you think is the general jist, and then go on a little patronising rant.

Having said that, 'Impatient' isn't a bad word. Such is his burning desire to succeed, he wasn't pleased with third, and the direct reason of that coming up short was of his own making. He later apologised to Button for the situation, so your personal dislike of Button and belittling him when it wasn't even his fault just makes your point weaker. I would say going for a place that's really not on when you know you can try again very soon is impatient.

I said 'a bit ragged and desparate'. Not he was Maldonado on speed. If you're going to go off on one, atleast be accurate on the starting point. He appeared to drive like he was in fairly equal machinery, rather than a much quicker car. He's had to recover like this in a few races recently (y'know because he's mentally weak in Q3) and he didn't display any of yesterday's tendencies for being a bit banzai.

I've never questioned his racecraft. Yet again you're taking something I said and being all melodramatic and applying it like a big suffocating blanket. I even said it seemed out of character.

Now I'm going to get a potted history of Lewis' great overtakes and a little parable about a doctor with 32 chickens and a bad foot, and why you shouldn't feed them ketchup.

The fact remains that it's illogical to condemn a driver as ragged, desperate and over eager because he has one racing incident despite despatching the toughest drivers to pass cleanly several times.
Where is the logic there? Unless you can explain it just seems like reverse humour

You give me too much credit with the allegories, I am not on the level of a doctor with 32 chickens. Although I know a joke about a bbc presenter, 32 chickens and a truck load of Sellotape

[Roth]

Yeah okay, I love all the drivers on the grid especially Button.

Just because I don't sit in on the Lewis circle jerk doesn't mean I don't support him.

Seriously, what's the point of me coming on here and going, 'ain't lewis great', and you all go 'yeah, he's brill' then everyone boos nico.

That's what all of you are for.

[LRW]

Yeah okay, I love all the drivers on the grid especially Button.

Just because I don't sit in on the Lewis circle jerk doesn't mean I don't support him.

Seriously, what's the point of me coming on here and going, 'ain't lewis great', and you all go 'yeah, he's brill' then everyone boos nico.

That's what all of you are for.

Not all of us are like that. I criticise Lewis plenty - as have Hammer and RC before - when its due. Maybe its just your wording?

[CookinFlat6]

Yeah okay, I love all the drivers on the grid especially Button.

Just because I don't sit in on the Lewis circle jerk doesn't mean I don't support him.

Seriously, what's the point of me coming on here and going, 'ain't lewis great', and you all go 'yeah, he's brill' then everyone boos nico.

That's what all of you are for.

Talk about knee jerkism

Many criticized Lewis after the Silverstone quali, who has booed Nico in this thread? And there is no point coming on here just to be contrary to the factual evidence. This race the factual evidence is that Lewis drove a fanatsic race and didnt come second because of ""bad luck"" with safety car, and bad luck with miscommunication (not race craft, or eagerness) with Button about his intentions

If you gonna turn up and say he was ragged, over eager and desperate you gotta at least put up a baked argument, thats all anyone wants, if you dont wanna turn up to say Lewis is great, great, but dont put the guy down just because of his supporters or just because...

Ok Lewis was not great this race? why? because of a misunderstanding with another driver - lets forget overtaking 16 others without issue

[What's Burning?]

I think he did pretty well having taken a 27G shunt the day before.

[CookinFlat6]

Uh, uh

The door is now open for calls of "his quali crash left him punch drunk and thats why he over eagerly raggedly desperately crashed into button"

[Hammer278]

When was the last time a driver came from 20th on the grid to 3rd or better in a BONE DRY RACE.

Regardless of car dominance, that has to be some sort of a record already.

[1Lemon]

When was the last time a driver came from 20th on the grid to 3rd or better in a BONE DRY RACE.

Regardless of car dominance, that has to be some sort of a record already.

Didn't vettel do that from the pit Lane in 2012?

[zurich_allan]

:banghead: Lewis was not ragged Roth, he was overcoming a 19 place defecit and Button was the only one in all those overtakes where there was an issue.

There was some contact with Kimi at one point too to be fair.