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[stonemonkey]

I was also wondering why no safety car??

Isn't it obvious, that would've played right into Lewis' hands but everyone's against him so....... No safety car. Maybe the stewards or Charlie don't like his fans either geet.

[Jabberwocky]

Well done to Bottas, amazing race.

Nico did his job can not ask any more or less than him.

1st corner was Mass as fault IMHO


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[LRW]

Massa. Never at fault. He said in an interview that he took the corner and mag just drove into him. That man is just not on the same planet.

Same for Button. He goes too deep, so Hamster took the position, Button try's to regain the racing line and just cuts Hamilton off. And then moans in an interview the Hamiton just drove into him. Just because you've forgotten what overtaking looks like, doesn't mean the other drivers have.

Loved it as Hamilton took him on the next lap and just waved 'byeeeeeeeeeee' as he went past. Lolz.

[stonemonkey]

Well done to Bottas, amazing race.

Nico did his job can not ask any more or less than him.

1st corner was Mass as fault IMHO


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Maybe technically at fault for not giving Mag room but I wouldn't really blame him in that situation. These are the things that can happen from a standing start and being crowded into the first corners which is why I think the safety car rules being brought in are crazy, that was with everyone on fresh tyres too.

[Hammer278]

Massa. Never at fault. He said in an interview that he took the corner and mag just drove into him. That man is just not on the same planet.

Same for Button. He goes too deep, so Hamster took the position, Button try's to regain the racing line and just cuts Hamilton off. And then moans in an interview the Hamiton just drove into him. Just because you've forgotten what overtaking looks like, doesn't mean the other drivers have.

Loved it as Hamilton took him on the next lap and just waved 'byeeeeeeeeeee' as he went past. Lolz.

Crying little gimp needs a tissue box installed in his cockpit so he can do all his crying there before a mic is in his face. Its not even funny anymore, it used to be but this is happening literally after every race weekend now.

As for Button who can blame him, the guy has hardly ever raced anyone in his career. He always seems to just let people by, especially after DRS was introduced.

[What's Burning?]

I don't blame Massa, and it was just another racing incident at the start, they happen. Massa's fault is not taking into consideration that he's the one with the long (illustrious career) and should know better than to not give a car he's trying to regain a position from not enough space. Should take his own advice an realize that you can't win the race in the first lap.

At least as far as the Button situation, he doesn't look all sulky on the podium and that's why so many Brits love to hate on HAM. ( I guess you've got to GET to a podium first)

[Jabberwocky]

Well done to Bottas, amazing race.

Nico did his job can not ask any more or less than him.

1st corner was Mass as fault IMHO


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Maybe technically at fault for not giving Mag room but I wouldn't really blame him in that situation. These are the things that can happen from a standing start and being crowded into the first corners which is why I think the safety car rules being brought in are crazy, that was with everyone on fresh tyres too.

Massa has been around the block enough to know that the line he took was putting you race in the hands of lady luck.

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[Ferrari man 009]

Bottas' is a future champion if he gets a race winning car I think, same for Ricciardo. They are fast and have race craft as good as the best drivers. Hulkenburg is the other one I think that will be up there.

Another brilliant drive from Alonso I thought, he always gets 100% out of that Ferrari. Without Alonso Ferrari's performance this season would look truly embarrassing - he has arguably been the driver of the season so far. Mattiaci didnt give much away to Kravitz after the race but I think even he knows that Alonso is getting more out of that car than he should be. Great battle with Ricciardo which was my highlight of the race.

Massa/Magnussen for me was just about a racing incident, but Massa with experience should be expecting someone to come up the inside - and Magnussen was enough up the inside to deserve some room.

Hamilton drove well to get to P3 - although he was driving a car that is 1-2 seconds a lap faster than all other cars except maybe the Williams. Had he not hit Button he probably would have been P2 (although Bottas would have been hard to pass - that Williams is fast on the straights).

On the safety car - the decision to cover Sutil under yellows was frankly ludicrous. That was a more dangerous situation than Massa's car on Lap 1 (which maybe COULD have been covered under double yellows as it was well off the track).

Overall, great race with some brilliant overtaking and racing (the 3 wide with the 2 Ferrari's and Vettel was fun as were a lot of other battles).

[zurich_allan]

Excellent race all round. Rosberg was supreme, just drove away from the field and maintained a gap. Excellent attacking from Hamilton to force his way through the midfield to the front. Brilliant from Bottas hanging on for the second place when it looked certain he'd be losing it.

Great from Alonso, some really committed overtakes.

I'm 50/50 on my opinion regarding the Massa / Mag collision. Massa was on the racing line, Mag wasn't, but then as others have said, the start is a bit different to the rest of the race, and it was predictable that someone might go inside to the apex (even if looking at the angle I don't think Mag was going to actually make it round the corner without going off wide). Even if Massa couldn't see Kevin personally, there could have been anyone there. Overall I think a 'racing incident' was the right decision; Kevin wasn't to blame, but Massa wasn't quite at fault.... If that makes sense....

[zurich_allan]

I have to say, I'm neutral, so no reason to say this other than because the Button bashing is beginning to annoy me a little when regardless of circumstances (which change for all drivers in each race), in the 9 races they have both finished, Jenson has finished ahead of Kevin in 7 of those 9. Whether strategy, support from the engineers, better stops, better luck, or whatever else might be a factor, the simple fact is that somehow, Jenson on race day nearly every race is coming out ahead.

Do I think Jenson is the quickest driver out there? No. Do I think Jenson will ever win another WDC? Only if he was given another dominant car. Do I think Jenson is doing a good job this season? Yes, he is consistently picking up the points that the car is capable of behind the Mercs, Williams', and Bulls, mixing it with both Ferrari and Force India.

Should McLaren as a team be doing better? Yes, they are currently a shadow of what they should be. Do I think Jenson could do anything more as things stand? No.

[RyRy]

Massa. Never at fault. He said in an interview that he took the corner and mag just drove into him. That man is just not on the same planet.

Same for Button. He goes too deep, so Hamster took the position, Button try's to regain the racing line and just cuts Hamilton off. And then moans in an interview the Hamiton just drove into him. Just because you've forgotten what overtaking looks like, doesn't mean the other drivers have.

Loved it as Hamilton took him on the next lap and just waved 'byeeeeeeeeeee' as he went past. Lolz.

You realise that he wasn't waving and was actually saying sorry...

I was also wondering why no safety car??

Isn't it obvious, that would've played right into Lewis' hands but everyone's against him so....... No safety car. Maybe the stewards or Charlie don't like his fans either geet.

It was ridiculously biased towards Rosberg, any other race we would have seen two or maybe even three more safety cars. The Sutil in the middle of the track was incredibly dangerous.

[What's Burning?]

In response to the Button bashing, personally I just "give back" to all those that went out of their way to point out how great Button's smoothness and methodical style behind the wheel would more often than not best the hot head and sulky Hamilton. It's no different than a lot of what's going on with Mercedes now, except Nico is at least a cut above Button.

You can't swing a dead cat around the internet without hitting a moron complaining about not liking Hamilton because of sulking on the podium or acting like a dick because he said Nico wasn't German. But they turn themselves inside out to prosthelytize a Button 8th place finish when he starts 11th on the grid. I support good drivers, not drivers behaving gentlemanly. Yesterday and today, Mags drove well and were it not for the unfortunate incident he got caught up in with Massa would have finished way ahead of Jenson. Yeah, I know, would have could have should have but the same way some drivers are able to put a car where it doesn't belong, you can't have it both ways. Like Vettel, Jenson obviously needs a dominant car or tremendous fortune to win or podium.

There's a handful of other drivers on the grid that would be putting that McLaren higher up than it has a business to go, and would have put last year's car higher than it went and Jenson is not one of them so why should McLaren in all its F1 legacy put their faith behind a driver that is on any given Sunday mediocre and needs a tight operating window to perform anywhere above that? In comparison to Mags, he should be leagues ahead and he's not.

[Hammer278]

Should McLaren as a team be doing better? Yes, they are currently a shadow of what they should be. Do I think Jenson could do anything more as things stand? No.

Maybe, what you think could be wrong.

[zurich_allan]

In response to the Button bashing, personally I just "give back" to all those that went out of their way to point out how great Button's smoothness and methodical style behind the wheel would more often than not best the hot head and sulky Hamilton. It's no different than a lot of what's going on with Mercedes now, except Nico is at least a cut above Button.

You can't swing a dead cat around the internet without hitting a moron that complaint about not liking Hamilton because of sulking on the podium or acting like a dick because he said Nico wasn't German. But they turn themselves inside out to prosthelytize a Button 8th place finish when he starts 11th on the grid. Yesterday and today, Mags drove well and were it not for the unfortunate incident he got caught up in with Massa would have finished way ahead of Jenson. Yeah, I know, would have could have should have but the same way some drivers are able to put a car where it doesn't belong, you can't have it both ways. Like Vettel, Jenson obviously needs a dominant car or tremendous fortune to win or podium.

There's a handful of other drivers on the grid that would be putting that McLaren higher up than it has a business to go, and would have put last year's car higher than it went and Jenson is not one of them so why should McLaren in all its F1 legacy put their faith behind a driver that is on any given Sunday and needs such a tight operating window to perform above that in? In comparison to Mags, he should be leagues ahead and he's not.

I'm afraid not - because as you have said in your own post, that IS all could have, should have, might have etc.

To repeat, Jenson has finished ahead of Mag in 7 of the 9 races they have both finished, is significantly ahead of him in the championship, and this has not been over one race such as today - it's been over the entire season so far.

I personally think that the only two drivers on the grid that might (and it is only might) be able to drag anything more out of the McLaren are Alonso and Hamilton - nobody else, and even then it wouldn't be significantly better, only in the odd race.

As a matter of interest, which cars do you think that Jenson should currently be ahead of? Because in performance terms the McLaren is CLEARLY behind Mercedes, Red Bull, and Williams, so barring the Massa incidents should not be on merit finishing any higher than 7th, yet this is something Jenson has done more than once this season so far. So to repeat - why do you (or anybody else) think that Button should be finishing higher up than he is in most races currently? Because I can't see any logical argument that can be presented.

[What's Burning?]

Look at Alonso and Raikkonen. Great drivers are great because they know when to push, when to conserve and they make the pass or defend the position when they have to. It's not that they're going to get their car a second faster, it's that they force everyone to drive a second slower. I think the amount of Button bashing is directly proportional to the amount of Button praising. No different than it is for a lot of other drivers, however if you don't drive a car beyond where it should be you are not great.

To compare Mags to Button is laughable in the first place, one is a rookie and the other the most experienced driver on the grid. It's like praising a father of an illigitimate child for paying child support. You're supposed to do it, and there is no praise for doing what you're supposed to.

Look up and down the pool picks today and what you'll see is a lot of people picking Hamilton to place where or around where he did, that's not because they think he's a messiah behind the wheel, it's because he's supposed to do that in that car. The same goes for Rosberg, he's supposed to win given the car he's in anything less today would have been a failure for him.

Why should I be praising Button for coming out one place ahead of his rookie team mater given the misfortune Mags saw today?