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[Ferrari man 009]

Then we have Spa (which is on my birthday), so of course Lewis will reign supreme.

I think you'll find Kimi's track, im sure he will bolt some sort of special turbo into himself, dominate the weekend win then slip down behind Alonso again

In Kimi's 3 Spa races for Ferrari he won 2 and led for 40 laps of the other one (until some precipitation spoiled it...)

Was that the one in which the king of Spa was robbed of a win by the stewards

Nope, because Kimi is the king of Spa - he was robbed by the rain

Hamilton can hardly be the king of Spa by winning there once, even Vettel has won more times...

How does a driver get robbed by rain? it would be like getting robbed by a lack of grip or a lack of car control or by a propensity to crash into walls or other people

That was a slightly tounge in cheek comment. I more meant he was in control of the race and without rain Kimi would have won, but as we know from 2008 the Ferrari always struggled massively in the rain (except for in Brazil, for some reason). If you think about the Silverstone and Monza races that year, Ferrari were woeful in the rain - it was something to do with the car if i remember correctly as both drivers struggled.

On the other hand the king of Spa was robbed by the stewards one time, robbed by his conniving team handing the win to his lame teammate the second time, absolutely smashed it the third time and aced it despite his car the other times

And who is that exactly? Please dont say Lewis as he only won once and looked like winning one other time.

2007 - 4th and off the pace
2008 - By the letter of the law he was correctly penalised for the Raikkonen incident (went off and gained an advantage and didnt properly give the place back - see the Alonso/Klien incident at Suzuka 2005) and finished 3rd.
2009 - Qualified 12th and crashed out on Lap 1.
2010 - Won
2011 - Crashed out
2012 - Comfortably out-qualified by Button. Grosjean-ed into Turn 1...
2013 - Pole and finished a distant 3rd behind Alonso and Vettel.

So 1 win, 2 x 3rds, 1 x 4th and 3x DNF's - hardly the king of Spa is it...

As for Kimi he's only failed to win one Belgian GP he's finished... and that was 3rd in 2012!

[CookinFlat6]

2007 - 4th and off the pace
2008 - By the letter of the law he was correctly penalised for the Raikkonen incident (went off and gained an advantage and didnt properly give the place back - see the Alonso/Klien incident at Suzuka 2005) and finished 3rd.
2009 - Qualified 12th and crashed out on Lap 1.
2010 - Won
2011 - Crashed out
2012 - Comfortably out-qualified by Button. Grosjean-ed into Turn 1...
2013 - Pole and finished a distant 3rd behind Alonso and Vettel.

So 1 win, 2 x 3rds, 1 x 4th and 3x DNF's - hardly the king of Spa is it...

As for Kimi he's only failed to win one Belgian GP he's finished... and that was 3rd in 2012!

Hey Ferrariman, its truly refreshing to have a response based on reality

however, I was referring to Lewis' performance and speed around Spa - afterall a king is still a king if his clothes get taken away on a Sunday

2007 - 1st outing ever at Spa in an F1 car - 4th is a good start, how did Kimi do in his first F1 race at Spa? ( I am genuinely curious)
2008 - pwned Kimi, who had trouble keeping his car within the track confines, Lewis battered everyone that day, including Kimi even after letting him pass, his performance was kingly and deserved the win
2009 - what are you gonna do when RoGro comes gunning for you on the first lap? He qualified low but we know who the master is at carving thru the field - so no evidence he wouldnt have 'kinged' it without getting Grosjeaned
2010 - the rain master
2011 - Was driving in a kingly fashion and carving thru the field when he got Kobayashied - 50/50 racing incident, nicole on the mind, whatever, 1 bad race
2012 - was given a car 1 second slower than his lame teammate, was totally on it that weekend. Anyone who thinks he wouldnt beat Button with the same car needs to go on twitter
2013 - new team, terrible tyre munching car, still beat his teammate who was settled in the team and had seen of Michael Shumacher previously

The real point I had was that Kimi has crashed out of Spa, unable to control his car, no one else involved, and as i have pointed out Lewis has always done well in twhatever conditions, he has never spun out or crashed out without Romain or Koba's help.

How does a king of Spa crash out in wet conditions? The whole idea of Spa is the wet conditions

When Kimi was on it he was the king, but since then he has been nowhere except the barriers, it was MS, then Kimi, and then Lewis

[racechick]

2012 - Comfortably out-qualified by Button.

EEKS! Ferrariman! You do know Lewis was screwed over then don't you?

[CookinFlat6]

It would be way too optimistic to expect a chap with a partisan moniker to be 100% aware of F1 events affecting all the teams on the grid

The good thing is he does do some ''research'' before shooting off

[What's Burning?]

Maybe McLaren would have done things slightly differently if they knew the couple of years in store for them after that decision. Their worst season in thirty years, no title sponson, and their longest contracted sponsor Hugo Boss calls it quits to go to the competition.

F1 drama. You can't make this stuff up!

In any case, my picks for Spa this year are Mercedes 1-2.

[geetface9]

ok BACK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND, nico rosberg is a super cool guy

[f1boy]

I think you meant..........Nico Rosberg isn't as good a driver as Lewis Hamilton.............

[geetface9]

Not at all. Nico may not be as fast as lewis hamilton, but he's not a whingy $#@! and he doesn't need the mental coddling that lewis does. Nico is also more consistent. I guess that's what I meant to say

[racechick]

Not at all. Nico may not be as fast as lewis hamilton, but he's not a whingy $#@! and he doesn't need the mental coddling that lewis does. Nico is also more consistent. I guess that's what I meant to say

But he's not more consistent. It just happens that Lewis has made two errors in the last two qualis. Rosberg made his earlier on.

Whinging? nope not heard him do that, maybe you're confusing him with Alonso and Vettel.

Needs mental coddling? what makes you think he needs that? In fact he's one of the few f1 drivers that refused the aid of a sports psychologist.

[RyRy]

Lmao I love how some people are doubting Lewis's skill because they either prefer other drivers or are fans of other drivers/teams.

I don't like Alonso, I don't like Ferrari but I can still admit that Alonso is a beastly driver who is one of the best.

[Ferrari man 009]

2007 - 4th and off the pace
2008 - By the letter of the law he was correctly penalised for the Raikkonen incident (went off and gained an advantage and didnt properly give the place back - see the Alonso/Klien incident at Suzuka 2005) and finished 3rd.
2009 - Qualified 12th and crashed out on Lap 1.
2010 - Won
2011 - Crashed out
2012 - Comfortably out-qualified by Button. Grosjean-ed into Turn 1...
2013 - Pole and finished a distant 3rd behind Alonso and Vettel.

So 1 win, 2 x 3rds, 1 x 4th and 3x DNF's - hardly the king of Spa is it...

As for Kimi he's only failed to win one Belgian GP he's finished... and that was 3rd in 2012!

Hey Ferrariman, its truly refreshing to have a response based on reality

however, I was referring to Lewis' performance and speed around Spa - afterall a king is still a king if his clothes get taken away on a Sunday

2007 - 1st outing ever at Spa in an F1 car - 4th is a good start, how did Kimi do in his first F1 race at Spa? ( I am genuinely curious)
2008 - pwned Kimi, who had trouble keeping his car within the track confines, Lewis battered everyone that day, including Kimi even after letting him pass, his performance was kingly and deserved the win
2009 - what are you gonna do when RoGro comes gunning for you on the first lap? He qualified low but we know who the master is at carving thru the field - so no evidence he wouldnt have 'kinged' it without getting Grosjeaned
2010 - the rain master
2011 - Was driving in a kingly fashion and carving thru the field when he got Kobayashied - 50/50 racing incident, nicole on the mind, whatever, 1 bad race
2012 - was given a car 1 second slower than his lame teammate, was totally on it that weekend. Anyone who thinks he wouldnt beat Button with the same car needs to go on twitter
2013 - new team, terrible tyre munching car, still beat his teammate who was settled in the team and had seen of Michael Shumacher previously

The real point I had was that Kimi has crashed out of Spa, unable to control his car, no one else involved, and as i have pointed out Lewis has always done well in twhatever conditions, he has never spun out or crashed out without Romain or Koba's help.

How does a king of Spa crash out in wet conditions? The whole idea of Spa is the wet conditions

When Kimi was on it he was the king, but since then he has been nowhere except the barriers, it was MS, then Kimi, and then Lewis

Kimi retired on Lap 1 in 2001 with transmission failure. He had outqualified Heidfield and started 12th in the Sauber (not too bad).

As for the others, 2007 was ok. Nothing special though.

2008 - he didnt "own" Kimi, he made an error and spun on lap 2, after that Kimi controlled the race and had it stayed dry would have won. In the wet Hamilton then passed him by going OFF the track and eased Kimi through and slipstreamed him back into turn 1. Same thing Alonso did (and was penalised for at Suzuka 2005). Then he and Kimi had a lap of swapping the lead as each other went off before Kimi ended up in the wall. Hamilton then cruised to the finish and got his penalty after.

2009 - His fault for qualifying 12th on the grid. Qualify that badly you take the risk.

2011 - His fault 100%. Why do you turn LEFT into someone when it is a RIGHT corner? He drove into Kobayasi and got his just desserts, which was to eat barrier.

2012 - Both had the same car, only Lewis fans will have conspiracy theories. Button beat him in 2011 (overall) too!

2013 - Never had the pace to beat Vettel but if he was king he'd have beaten Alonso (who was in an equally terrible Ferrari).


Kimi's record however, is:

2001 - Technical Failure
2002 - Engine Failure (2nd on the grid)
2004 - Won (first driver to beat Schumacher as MS DNF'ed at Monaco)
2005 - Won
2007 - Won
2008 - Crashed after leading for over 40/44 laps
2009 - Won in the worst Ferrari i've EVER witnessed
2012 - 3rd
2013 - Technical Failure

Now, that is the record for the King of Spa! Podium in every race he's finished

[racechick]

Crickey Moses Ferrariman! But you have a good memory! I can remember Lewis' outstanding moves but except for the really spectacular, often forget which year and which race.
One correction. 2012 Button and Hamilton did not have the same car . No conspiracy theory, admitted so by Ron Dennis.

[Nin-Chin]

2007 - Was average, not bad but nothing special
2008 - He deserved the win.
2009 - The McLaren was off the pace all weekend and got tangled up at the back.
2010 - Great drive and managed the conditions well
2011 - Misjudged the room he left for Koby, he was coming back through the field after pitting for new tyres
2012 - Car was too draggy therefore slow, got Grosjean'ed in T1
2013 - Best he could do really, the Ferrari and the Red Bull were faster that weekend, nothing to do with tyre wear. Also car was pretty slow down the straights that weekend leading Merc to revise their low aero package for Monza


As for Kimi in 2009, he only won because he had KERS which meant he could pass and defend against Fisi.



Will note in 2008 Kimi passed him and pulled away until they got onto the harder tyres(which the Ferrari doesn't like that much) and Hamilton started reeling him until the rain started coming down when he closed right up and Kimi was struggling in those conditions before he crashed out.

[Ferrari man 009]

Crickey Moses Ferrariman! But you have a good memory! I can remember Lewis' outstanding moves but except for the really spectacular, often forget which year and which race.

The 2008 bit I remember and some other stuff. Others (like Kimis failures in 01,02 I had a quick peek on wikipedia )

[CookinFlat6]

Will note in 2008 Kimi passed him and pulled away until they got onto the harder tyres(which the Ferrari doesn't like that much) and Hamilton started reeling him until the rain started coming down when he closed right up and Kimi was struggling in those conditions before he crashed out.

How does a supposed master of Spa struggle in wet conditions and ends up losing control of his car? Kimi is only king of anything when conditions are perfect and the car is to his liking

'Oh yes I am the king, apart from the fact that I keep crashing into other drivers, I even crashed into a Force India in a straight line in Monaco and I am currently getting my bottom handed to me every single race worse than Massa ever did'