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By racechick
#407734
Some interesting snippets her from Jo Ramirez, He talks about the two biggest mistakes Whitmarsh made, why Perez had to go, Raikonen escaping punishment for the S ilverstone crash and the long delay to mend the barrier.
Apologies for posting the interview in its entirety but it's from the Judge13 and if I just give the link there'll be lots of other articles there as well.
Some very interesting observations in here, particularly regarding Perez. Hers the interview :-

Ramirez attacks Whitmarsh, Perez, Raikkonen and Silverstone

Jo Ramirez was Mclaren team manager from 1984 to 2001 and worked with some of the best drivers in the world. Niki Lauda, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna and Mika Hakkinen. He also worked with Maserati, Ferrari, Tyrrell, ATS and Fittipaldi before joining the Woking team. In a recent interview he spoke candidly about a few things in Formula One from his insiders perspective…

Q: You’re a good friend of Martin Whitmarsh is it true that he had to go?

“Yes, unfortunately he made two bad decisions. Mclaren had a winning car at the end of 2012. The rules for 2013 were stable but the engineers convinced him that they should pursue a new design philosophy. The early races showed the car was nowhere. The second wrong decision was Ron Dennis. Ron wanted to convert the 2012 cars to the 2013 rules but Martin they would improve the car and catch up. But with test limits it is simply impossible to catch up and with no podium finish for the first time since 1981, the shareholders and sponsors were not happy… Martin had to go.”

Q: It seemed a strange decision to release Sergio Perez after one season. Something must have happened, he’s a good driver..

“As a driver he’s not bad, he was getting better but Mclaren wanted a new Hamilton, someone who is faster than Jenson Button. Sergio did not meet expectations but at the end he was already faster than Button.His problem was he was snooty. ‘I am now an F1 driver’ We know the drill, his attitude was poor, he was unpopular with the engineers, with everyone in the team… and he was regarded as very arrogant. This year I was in Jerez for the testing, and I spent some time with Mclaren and Sauber, neither team was able to say anything good about Sergio. This is incredible.”

Q: One criticism are the many penalties imposed today in a race.

Yes, too much, Gutierrez was punished for the loose wheel in Austria but it was not is fault it was the teams. This is just ridiculous. Then you come to Silverstone, where you see an incredible accident of a manic, ludicrous Kimi Raikkonen. Okay, he made a mistake and was off the track, you have to take it easy and return to the track, but of course he wanted to waste no time and returns flat out, losing control of the car and there was a huge accident. He could have hurt himself or he could have been hit by Massa and broken his legs or worse but got away without punishment. I thought the driver steward was Derek Warwick and wrote to him, but it was actually Nigel Mansell. Warwick replied: “You’re right, Raikkonen would have been punished”

That’s the inconsistency with these penalties. Raikkonen is a Ferrari driver and makes a catastrophic mistake but he got away with it. If that was Maldonado or Grosjean they would have been banned from the German race.

These safety issues have also been so exaggerated in England. The guardrail was only slightly damaged . The chances of another car striking the same place is rather limited. So they would rather spend a full hour repairing it. A full hour and all the TV viewers were angry. The drivers were also angry at having to wait. I am so glad that I am no longer a part of it. There are so many things nowadays that are so simple and yet so annoying…”
#407738
I disagree with him about the safety rail. If they had not fixed it and something had happened and someone got injured because of them not replacing the barrier they would of been the 1st on the chopping block.

I am surprised to hear that Perez is so unliked

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By racechick
#407745
It was the Perez stuff that surprised me. Answers a few questions though .

I agree they had to mend that safety barrier, but they were very leisurely about it. Surely they could have had a piece of Armco replaced in fifteen minutes......not that I'm an expert in Armco replacement. :P
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If the armco was a straight swap would imagine so, but think of the issue of trying to get the bolts out that are under stress because of the twisted barrier

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By racechick
#407763
They were moving at a mighty slow place. The guy next to me was some sort of construction worker and couldn't understand od what they were playing at. Didn't really bother me, I got a bit longer to sunbathe :D
it was the other points Ramirez made that I found more interesting
#407764
Regarding the armco, it's a myopic attempt to replace it just as good as new. It was unessesary, no reason why tehy could have put a series of water barriers in front of them, filled them up and do the permanent repair later. they have sand/water barriers in Monaco doing the same thing, why couldn't they do that as a spot repair at Silverstone? I agree safety is of utmost importance, but there are alternatives to stopping everything for an hour to spend 45 minutes removing twisted bolts.

The situation at McLaren got very warped, the twittergate fiasco that Lewis still gets hate post for, what a sausage to post that info, where the flip side of the coin is never discussed, McLaren purposely hanging him out to dry... but it's Lewis so it's easy to digest, and no one stop to ask why would he take such drastic measures.

McLaren was broken and it's still far from fixed, although it's looking like they're on their way and a few people here got it very right and surmized the situation between Ron, Whitmarsh and the shenanigans going on and the direction they took the car and how they effectively blew a championship during the 2012 season with the fastest car on the grid, but because of Button's being able to come to grips with the car and being woefully adrift mid season the WCC was effectively out of reach, so the WDC for Hamilton was gambled on or effectively deemed unimportant for them to screw the guy purposely out of a handful of grid positions which effectively lead to the Grosjean crash the following day.

McLaren have done some pretty inexplicable things, and the biggest one of them is effectively herding Hamilton out. Two years worth of struggling and a couple of long time sponsors walking out and twittergate and the details about Whitmarsh's incompetence are old news to us.
By Hammer278
#407774
Wow Perez is an arrogant pr!ck? Who woulda thunk it. I thought he's a bit of a passive character who might have been intimidated at McLaren with everyone dancing to JBs music the whole time.

Just shows doesn't it, the guy we see and hear from in the spotlight could easily be just a mask of his real self.
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By spankyham
#407777
...Just shows doesn't it, the guy we see and hear from in the spotlight could easily be just a mask of his real self.


Glad you said "could", because it "could" also be Ramirez has an axe to grind with Perez or it "could" just be a report of the usual standard from TJ13 i.e. never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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By racechick
#407779
...Just shows doesn't it, the guy we see and hear from in the spotlight could easily be just a mask of his real self.


Glad you said "could", because it "could" also be Ramirez has an axe to grind with Perez or it "could" just be a report of the usual standard from TJ13 i.e. never let the facts get in the way of a good story.


it was a direct quote from Ramirez and it stood alone with no quote or slant from anyone on the jude13's team. It was actually usher13, so popular has he become he now has two posting sites.
https://twitter.com/thejudge13twts/stat ... 8226658304
By Hammer278
#407780
...Just shows doesn't it, the guy we see and hear from in the spotlight could easily be just a mask of his real self.


Glad you said "could", because it "could" also be Ramirez has an axe to grind with Perez or it "could" just be a report of the usual standard from TJ13 i.e. never let the facts get in the way of a good story.


I did toy with that part of my quote a bit before posting.

But when I see this;

"This year I was in Jerez for the testing, and I spent some time with Mclaren and Sauber, neither team was able to say anything good about Sergio. This is incredible.”

This quote was going to go public, and it's a pretty strong statement for someone to make when any personnel from either of these teams could bite back saying they got along with Perez fine. Would Ramirez put himself at risk so badly, I just don't see it.
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By spankyham
#407784
...Just shows doesn't it, the guy we see and hear from in the spotlight could easily be just a mask of his real self.


Glad you said "could", because it "could" also be Ramirez has an axe to grind with Perez or it "could" just be a report of the usual standard from TJ13 i.e. never let the facts get in the way of a good story.


I did toy with that part of my quote a bit before posting.

But when I see this;

"This year I was in Jerez for the testing, and I spent some time with Mclaren and Sauber, neither team was able to say anything good about Sergio. This is incredible.”

This quote was going to go public, and it's a pretty strong statement for someone to make when any personnel from either of these teams could bite back saying they got along with Perez fine. Would Ramirez put himself at risk so badly, I just don't see it.


It stood out in my mind because I hadn't heard or read anything else like this. If a guy was that arrogant then you'd think something would have come out about it in the years since he left Sauber and then McLaren from those teams. Be interesting to see if people from either of the teams quoted come out and say things either agreeing or disagreeing with the quote.
#407786
Maybe it is all just part of the sport. I remember reading the Paul Di Resta was a bit of diva behind the scenes.

Then when you think of it maybe that is why some good drivers come and go quickly (think montoya) where as other drivers stay a long time (think Badoer)

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By spankyham
#407788
...Just shows doesn't it, the guy we see and hear from in the spotlight could easily be just a mask of his real self.


Glad you said "could", because it "could" also be Ramirez has an axe to grind with Perez or it "could" just be a report of the usual standard from TJ13 i.e. never let the facts get in the way of a good story.


it was a direct quote from Ramirez and it stood alone with no quote or slant from anyone on the jude13's team. It was actually usher13, so popular has he become he now has two posting sites.
https://twitter.com/thejudge13twts/stat ... 8226658304

This was not a direct quote because, although TJ13 tries to give the impression it was their interview it wasn't. Also, it can't be a direct quote because the real interview was given to the German site Formula1.de so there is translation involved. >>Here's<< a site that posted the interview earlier, and, as you'd expect from a reputable media outlet, credited the originator of the interview in their report.

Sorry RC, I know you like this site but this is just typical of their standards.
By Hammer278
#407791
Maybe it is all just part of the sport. I remember reading the Paul Di Resta was a bit of diva behind the scenes.



You didn't need to read anything to find that one out..
#407795
I was more pointing to attitude affecting longevity within the sport.

I never though that Paul came across as a diva, a bit of a whinger maybe but not a toys out of the cot because it is not going my way type of person.

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