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[racechick]

What the FRIC is this all about??? What's going on??

Scroll down to this article........
"FIA invites teams to protest Mercedes technology"

http://thejudge13.com/

Then please tell me what's hapenning??

[sagi58]

Kept scrolling and scrolling, missed the portion you referred to, had to go back to find it;
but, not before I'd read this food for thought:

Hamilton-Rosberg rivalry undermines W05 reliability
If we have already written many words about the Mercedes supremacy, it is worth highlighting how the Rosberg-Hamilton rivalry is undermining the W05′s reliability. It’s not the first time we have seen a W05 scoring a DNF, and we all still remember the double failure they suffered in Canada. And, according to who is writing, it’s all due to an attempt to always trying to find the limit more than the extremism of the project. To prove this theory we could look at Hamilton race pace, which slowed considerably once Rosberg was out of the race.

Hamilton vs Rosberg lap time chart comparison



Hamilton vs Rosberg vs Bottas race pace comparison



((larger version: http://i.imgur.com/qs1J0gC.jpg ))

As we can see from both the charts above, when both Mercedes were still fighting for first place, the average lap time advantage over their opponents varied between 1.5-2 seconds with Hamilton clocking a fastest lap of 1:37.176 on the 26th lap. A benchmark that he would never lower again during the race even with less fuel and fresh tires.To be clear, both championships are not at risk, but paradoxically, their biggest enemy is the freedom with which Mercedes leaves its own drivers battling on track.

[Hammer278]

To be clear, both championships are not at risk, but paradoxically, their biggest enemy is the freedom with which Mercedes leaves its own drivers battling on track.

Simply the risk a thoroughbred racing team is willing to take when going racing.

[racechick]

But they have such a huge margin over the other teams in terms of speed and points and outscore every team pretty much every weekend, they can afford the unreliability. If the situation changes they can reassess the situation.

What's the alternative? Ask Lewis, a world champion they're paying 20 mil a year to to follow Rosberg home? Or vice versa? I don't want to watch that. We had enough of that with Schumacher, Alonso and Vettel. This one will be won in style.....unless of course the double points travesty screws everything up.

[sagi58]

But they have such a huge margin over the other teams in terms of speed and points and outscore every team pretty much every weekend, they can afford the unreliability. If the situation changes they can reassess the situation.

What's the alternative? Ask Lewis, a world champion they're paying 20 mil a year to to follow Rosberg home? Or vice versa? I don't want to watch that. We had enough of that with Schumacher, Alonso and Vettel. This one will be won in style.....unless of course the double points travesty screws everything up.

It would seem that Mercedes has a BIGGER edge than Ferrari, Renault or even Red Bull did when those drivers won their WDCs, so that's not the "fairest" of comparisons to be making.

After reading what forum members have posted here and after googling the information, I would suggest that 1988, when McLaren had the same run of success winning 15 out of 16 races, with 10 of them being 1-2s, would be the more reasonable season to compare this year with.

As for the double points that will be awarded at the last race, let's face it, if Hamilton wins, most of his fans will say, "oh, well, the rules are rules, besides he would have won anyway because he is the more talented of the two"; but, if it's Rosberg that takes the WDC, the forum will have more posts per day, for the entire off-season than you can shake a stick at!!

[What's Burning?]

Jelly...

[LRW]

Sometimes Sagi, I am of the personal opinion you make statements deliberately just to stir things up. Especially when it comes to making generalisations about Hamilton Supporters. Either that or you don't put any thought into them before posting. That is my [self censored] opinion.

[What's Burning?]

Sometimes Sagi, I am of the personal opinion you make statements deliberately just to stir things up. Especially when it comes to making generalisations about Hamilton Supporters. Either that or you don't put any thought into them before posting. That is my [self censored] opinion.

I say six of one half dozen of the other.

[racechick]

Sagi i think the double points is a travesty whoever it benefits and I've said so from the off

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[Hammer278]

I gotta agree with LRW on that one. If you check my post history, you'd see you're sorely mistaken about one of the "Hamilton Fans" on the double points issue. And I don't see anyone here in this forum, Hamilton Supporter or not, who actually embraced that little nugget added in this season. So why make a stupid post like that?

And this annoying face --> Is this to help convince yourself that your argument is legit?

[What's Burning?]

facts? we don't need no stinking facts... and in the Mercedes Support thread no less.

I guess the expectation is that we (Hamilton fans) will change the narrative to suit our agenda, even if we have to contradict ourselves from one day to the next or from one post to the next.

[CookinFlat6]

Good thing about andrew is that I never saw him change sides within the same post, this achievement cannot be underestimated

Why do people persist with comparing the Ferrari, Renault or Red Bull dominant periods with Mercs? those periods had a number 1 driver and his teammate was not allowed to race - resulting in a borefest of epic proportions especially the way ferrari went about it (team orders were banned because of a Ferrari deed that attracted derision and controversy, and then team orders were reintroduced years later because of a Ferrari deed that attracted derision and controversy)

It doesnt matter how far ahead of other teams Merc are - we have racing for the win every single race - we didnt in ferrari, renault, rbr unsporting editions.

The only comparison is to 88 at McLaren when the car won all races bar 1 not because of the margin but because WE HAD RACING FOR THE WIN ALSO

[sagi58]

Sometimes Sagi, I am of the personal opinion you make statements deliberately just to stir things up. Especially when it comes to making generalisations about Hamilton Supporters. Either that or you don't put any thought into them before posting. That is my [self censored] opinion.

Nope. Things get stirred up easily enough without my two cents!

The double points IS a stupid rule. NO doubt. Still, I stand behind what I said.

IF Hamilton and Rosberg are as close as we're expecting them to be before that last
race, IF Hamilton wins that it and the title, his fans will have less of a problem accepting
that STUPID rule than IF Rosberg wins that last race and thereby WDC!!

I would be the SAME if Ferrari were to lose out on the WDC because of that STUPID
rule, if they were in contention!! If they were to win because of it, it would still
be a STUPID rule; but, I'd be less perturbed by it and would accept that everyone
was racing under that rule, as STUPID as it is.

[CookinFlat6]

I would be the SAME if Ferrari were to lose out on the WDC because of that STUPID
rule, if they were in contention!! If they were to win because of it,

[What's Burning?]

Sometimes Sagi, I am of the personal opinion you make statements deliberately just to stir things up. Especially when it comes to making generalisations about Hamilton Supporters. Either that or you don't put any thought into them before posting. That is my [self censored] opinion.

Nope. Things get stirred up easily enough without my two cents!

The double points IS a stupid rule. NO doubt. Still, I stand behind what I said.

IF Hamilton and Rosberg are as close as we're expecting them to be before that last
race, IF Hamilton wins that it and the title, his fans will have less of a problem accepting
that STUPID rule than IF Rosberg wins that last race and thereby WDC!!

I would be the SAME if Ferrari were to lose out on the WDC because of that STUPID
rule, if they were in contention!! If they were to win because of it, it would still
be a STUPID rule; but, I'd be less perturbed by it and would accept that everyone
was racing under that rule, as STUPID as it is.

So many assumptions. So soooo many assumptions about Lewis Hamilton fans. Should we all go over to the Ferrari thread and make generalizations about the Tifosi there?