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[What's Burning?]

these look pretty bitchin'.

so now I'll brace myself for the deluge of how "these are horrible for the sport comments" sure to follow.

[stonemonkey]

Look good, gonna take a bit of suspension redesign. Does this mean pirelli going back to square 1 with tyre design?

[What's Burning?]

it's a three year window of implementation. it's what LMP run so from a suspension design standpoint it would be a good ROI for manufacturers to enter cars in both F1 and Le Mans. Similar engines, similar suspension and testing done on one series can easily be used to gather data on for the other series.

[geetface9]

Doesn't a larger tire mean a larger contact patch on the road? So perhaps a little more mechanical grip to aid with the loss of aero downforce?

[ckilger12]

I personally love the idea...Pirelli's argument is that more and more road cars are coming with larger wheels from the factory. IMO 13" on an F1 look rediculous....Pirelli say they will only pursue if the stakeholders support the idea. I think they should....

[darwin dali]

I personally love the idea...Pirelli's argument is that more and more road cars are coming with larger wheels from the factory. IMO 13" on an F1 look rediculous....Pirelli say they will only pursue if the stakeholders support the idea. I think they should....

Talk about ridiculous:

[What's Burning?]

The specific reason Michelin cited for not being interested in F1 is because of the ridiculous insistence on antiquated 13 inch rubber. Think of how Malaysia will look when the glowing red rotors peek out of those rims. The reason for bigger rims in road cars is to allow for better/larger brakes.

[What's Burning?]

I personally love the idea...Pirelli's argument is that more and more road cars are coming with larger wheels from the factory. IMO 13" on an F1 look rediculous....Pirelli say they will only pursue if the stakeholders support the idea. I think they should....

Talk about ridiculous:

Is that a rendering of the new Formula HAAS entry?

[darwin dali]

I personally love the idea...Pirelli's argument is that more and more road cars are coming with larger wheels from the factory. IMO 13" on an F1 look rediculous....Pirelli say they will only pursue if the stakeholders support the idea. I think they should....

Talk about ridiculous:

Is that a rendering of the new Formula HAAS entry?

Yeah, they just signed a joint venture with John Deere.

[LRW]

Man. Those wheels give me a stiffy!!

[myownalias]

Will this mean a change in ride height or will it remain the same, just less sidewall rubber? the illustration seems to suggest the later, but that's sometimes misleading!

[LRW]

Well lotus are test driving them tomorrow......

[What's Burning?]

Doesn't a larger tire mean a larger contact patch on the road? So perhaps a little more mechanical grip to aid with the loss of aero downforce?

No not really geet. the contact area is very funny thing and the fact that rubber behaves weird by science standards, it it far more complicated than that. When all you do is widen the tire the actual contact patch gets wider but it also shortens front to rear. Where the benefits of a smaller profile tire come in is in being able to have less rubber on the sidewalls, which therefore increase feedback and reduce flexing/rolling etc. So much more of the energy can go toward the actual contact patch. The compound of a tire can increase the friction by tenfold of the energy you put into it. So when you brake it's the tires that are stopping you, when you accelerate it's the tires that are accelerating you. That's why all modern road racing cars use low profile tires, they're just quicker and more efficient at transferring the energy both to stop and to go.

The only drawback to a larger combination comes from the fact that you have to have a larger rim, therefore more weight and more rotational mass, but it's not a factor in F1 where they're already using exotic materials for the rims. (it used to be a magnesium alloy) although I don't even know if that's ever the current metal in use. In every other aspect it's a win, and that's why you see that as the standard in LM and other series.

[LRW]

s*** man. Sometimes I feel thick as pig s*** amongst you lot.

[What's Burning?]

s*** man. Sometimes I feel thick as pig s*** amongst you lot.

no need to express your feelings of poor body image amongst us, we're all overweight... well mostly all of us. Not the girls, I repeat... NOT THE GIRLS!